It’s a wasted opportunity since there are a bunch of FX with modular capabilities and multiple buses.
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I see. So you are saying it could be used to process multiple external instruments at the same time? Which is definitely cool.
Couldn’t you just put it on a mixer send and just do that?
If it had another pair of inputs, each stereo pair could potentially be processed by totally different buses of FX. Also, levels/panning/filters/etc. could be automated independently for each stereo pair.
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I see. I think the intent is to sample into it for that, or use it as a traditional multi effect unit, which typically only has 2 inputs. The way ins and outs are architected on these boxes can be very complex and many times they just don’t have the space or resources to add them.
I like the simpler approach lately of other synth brands like Erica Synths and Jomox compared to my Elektron gear. Don’t get me wrong, Elektron gear is solid but I find simpler workflow with more knob per function and less menu diving more pleasant.
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Personally, I care more about the lack of sample mangling options like timestretch, cross-modulation/phase-modulation, layering, round-robin, etc.
I think it does have round robin. I read that somewhere.
Not a huge fan of time stretch myself. It sounds kind of ass on the DT. They may add it down the road, but typically when I need to timestretch. I just do that in the DAW, which always sounds best. My old rack samplers are pretty bad at it too but it makes for the classic jungle effect.
Are you still liking the MKSRec? I feel like TV is a great compliment to it, if you are into the old school samplers.
Yeah, I absolutely love it. I’m knocking around the idea of ordering a Tonverk, but I think I may actually end up purchasing a Synclavier Regen instead because it is already loaded with a bunch of great/classic multisamples and has insanely good sound quality. I already have a Hapax I can use to sequence it with too.
The Regen has a way of grunging up sounds by turning off interpolation, but I hear it is more hi-fi sounding, which would contrast my actual 12-bit gear nicely I think.
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Also, I think I may mostly be mesmerized by the fancy new FX. I’m considering getting an OTO BIM and OTO BAM instead, which would satisfy my FX desires to a greater degree.
Yeah I have an MKSREC coming at some point. I use the SP1200 and a good stereo sampler like this was on my wish list. Something I can make lush sounds and atmospheres with and also do heavy modulation of chords and vocal samples. To me thats a perfect combo with the SP1200. I currently use older rack samplers and they sound incredible, but are limited in many ways compared to the TV.
I had both of those OTO boxes and they are pretty great. It was kind of a pain remembering all the sub menus, but they are very good sounding boxes.
unless… IT WILL ALSO WORK WITH OVERHUB…
I am just fantasizing here, of course…
PS - IIRC Jeanne said TV does round robin somehow… both on the subtracks and on multisample machine
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The leak has nothing to do with the date of the launch.
The TV has received a lot of work to get where it’s at now.
Do what you feel is good, but OTO BIM and BAM are far from the fancy FX that are within the TV ^^
I’d go for a ZOIA, maybe.
I think the idea that there are multiple busses and one could route multiple pieces of external gear across them is appealing, especially since this thing clearly has a major superpower as a sequencable effects box
To me, in a very fuzzy sense, this looks like comparing
- Digitakt II versus Tonverk
is somewhat akin to - Sonicware Lofi XT versus SmplTrek
Or there may be a few OP-XY vs OP1F parallels too. (more sequenced precision vs longer tape like approach)
Tonverk distinguishing itself as a multitrack composer for longer loops & recordings.
There’s a strong sense of Torso S4, 1010 Tangerine here too.
Tonverk seems like the most Ableton-esque of modern elektron boxes.
Tonverk seems to take a further step beyond the Digitakt as being a ‘hub’ machine to connect to your studio mothership and then disconnect and operate by itself loaded with your bits.
Ultimately I think it’s a workflow call.
If you already own a Digitakt I/II and enjoy micro-managing (I mean in a good sense) every little and big sonic element, then Tonverk might not be for you as Digitakt is amazing at that.
However if you hanker after longer passages, stem alignment and mis-alignment, ‘synthier’ polyphonic composition using multisamples etc, Tonverk is appealing.
Making that often warned against error of buy it not for what it might do in the future but for what it does now, I do strongly suspect the Tonverk will further distinguish itself as an Ableton type workflow than a drum computer.
Anyway, my navel-gazing thoughts aside, I have taken the jump and decided to put in an order in my endless quest for the machine that fits my preferences - a looser, composing, recording tool in hardware form that encourages organic creativity and releases me from the grid to a greater extent.
Looking forward to those early days of experimentation and whether my cornucopia of other gear that does similar things are going to hit my bubble wrapped sales cupboard.
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I dont agree with the “ableton-esque” assesment tbh. Ableton has a clip based, nonlinear sequencing environment, and traditionally relied heavily on timestretching and audio warping for its typical sounds, at least until v3 or 4, when it got the ability to host VST/AU instruments
yes!
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Sampling and synthesis has already been made by Elektron - MD UW MKII. You can buy one second hand, they seem to still be available now and then
Anyways, my “sampling + synthesis + custom DSP in a box” of choice is the Maschine+. I do not need one from Elektron, but I do understand if that is something others desperately crave. I tend to get bored with the inherent sonic signature of any such standalone device eventually, and inevitably add other gear to it as well, so YMMV.
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…like any other elektron box, tv is also whatever U make it…
when i joined the elektron hw gear sphere in the early tens, the black trinity was THE sonic shot…
and there have been all sorts of swedish dream team combos ever since…
u never have to have them all…if u do so anyways, ur way more a must have gear collector with everlasting gas than a musician, since more than three to handle at once starts to slow u down while gaining overall confusion…
timeless rule remains…what u really need to klak klak zak zak is ONE that deals with sampling and ONE that deals with synthesis…
for me, the winner remains a ot and an a4…
if i’d be new to the game, i’d pick a dtone2 and a tv…
if i’d be still in the hw realm full on, i would find me a 2nd hand dtone keys to add to ot and a4 these days…
most “simple” setup right now would be a dtakt2 and a syntakt…
but from what i can see and hear so far and given the fact that elektron always deliver great firmware updates, just a single toneverk can get u anywhere already…they really came a long way…
but my personal music mojo started to vanish in post pandemic days and going back itb with bitwig, makes ma sonic days eversince…there i also developed a klak klak zak zak workflow, just way more faster, way more efficient, way more cheaper, way more direct…but all who wanna produce music in one way or the other need to have their hw phase at some point…
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Yes you may very well be right.
What I meant is that my historic ableton approach has often been to spend a while populating loop tracks with odd samples and loops that seemed to work well together and then honing them in, going into the arrangement view, padding them out and developing a progression - to me the Tonverk seems more designed for that, but can still of course be done with a Digitakt
It will be interesting to see if elektron has a vision for really distinguishing the DT vs TV for drumcomputer vs whatever the TV is expected to become. The DT already can do so much …
I’m seeing TV as breaking free from some of the established Elektron paradigmas. For me personally, the polyphony on tap, plus the fx and the routing, create something which goes beyond the loop sound-on-sound collage work one could pull off with something like an OT. The sequencer can now capture “proper” polyphonic keyboard playing better than ever before (it has a bunch of new per-note editing possibilities), and sequences can be longer than ever, couple that with direct jump mode and you can break free from any loopy paradigms, into endlessly evolving, organic progressions…
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