Is ROLI almost dead?

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So from that page it says:

Luminary will not only focus on expanding LUMI to reach the growing community of home learners, but also plans to bring back the popular and award-winning Seaboard in 2022 (currently out of stock).

-AND-

Luminary will continue to manufacture ROLI’s professional and hobbyist instruments, with a relaunch of the iconic Seaboard, slated for 2022.

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I wonder what creditors and the insolvency agent will have to say to that move, looks like they’re abandoning Roli and its debts and are moving all operations over to Luminary…usually, you’d have to sell off the IP to the highest bidder to satisfy the insolvency agents, looks like they’ve sold it to themselves here, I wonder at what price…

Is the Founder/CEO also going to continue at Luminary?

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…all the old trix in big biz…

for now…i’m aaaallll happy…since hausland sold me one of his seaboard blox… :wink:
don’t see more need for seaboarding for now…

thanx again…

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My first thought.

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This is the key point. They have stated their intention to freely walk away from Roli-based debts, but they are a dead company walking. They just haven’t been forced to liquidate yet because those proceedings take time.

The only way things can change for them is if they can prove that Lumi is immensely successful and get another bailout investment before they are forced to liquidate.

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it’s a direct quote from the linked article!

When you’re losing money, sometimes trying to improve your scenario by losing more money and faster is not the ideal solution :slight_smile:

This dialog reminds me of Blade Runner, where the Seaboard or Block is Roy Batty (who will die before living a “full” life).

I never seriously considered a seaboard because they always struck me as priced too high for what they are. (I still think they’re cool as hell)

To learn from this thread that they’re irreparable, more or less have a limited-life, and that they’re backed by a mediocre warranty makes the pricing seem all the more absurd.

Out of curiosity - any linnstrument owners out there? I wonder how those stand the test of time, and if they can reasonably be repaired…?

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Peter Kirn did a piece on Roli / their current status for CDM today:

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So replace Pharrell and Grimes with Hoxton, spend more money pursuing another hoped for market, and negotiate through the court process, while spending more for the lawyers. Hoxton’s goal is to bring the business far enough along to be able to sell that business and/or whatever loose assets it can find and make a profit.

Despite having lived this as an employee, and seen this up close another time, i don’t say i understand the value or use of this exercise.

As for answering the question, "Is ROLI almost dead?", we’re not much closer to an answer.

YES.

NO.

Let us hope every employee comes out of this better than they went in. And the same for all the customers along the way too.

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indeed… I don’t think anyone really knows… its pretty much speculation.

I could see this as being a way to buy some time… but for what?

Im not sure Lumi is the way forward… its had its own issues already.

perhaps time to sell off some IP… Juce went already, what about FXpansion?
or break up some of the ip assets… lumi/blocks/seaboad/equator

we’ll only really find out over the coming months.

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Can we just do this period?

Pharrell was a great beatmaker (once) and Grimes is net negative.

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There’s still a pulse !

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Nothing on this earth would convince me to buy roli stuff again… Great ideas, but poor execution and terrible customer services let them down badly… once bitten and all that…

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I am so bummed that ROLI wasn’t more successful. The Seaboard is just so cool. Also, Equator 2 is, imho, by far the best implementation of an MPE software synth, at least in terms of UI and seeing what your doing with all the expressiveness available. I really, really wanted be able to pair a Seaboard RISE 2 with Equator 2, but like @Symian said, after buying the Seaboard Block, having it fail, then no customer support during warranty period, I won’t be buying anymore hardware from ROLI unless they were purchased by a reputable music hardware company.

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This was an interesting read.

For me to buy a Seaboard it would have to have a DIN midi out. That’s the one thing I’m asking for and also probably the one thing I won’t be getting. And for that reason I’m considering a Linnstrument instead.

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my linnstrument 128 seems to stand the test of time at least.

being non-battery powered, and having a open firmware makes it a lot more future proof in my eyes that Roli (or for that sake the discontinued sensel morph).

Only issue i have had was the rubber playing suface had air bubbles under it. But i found posts with instructions to loosen the chassis and smoothen things out.
Thing feels like it will last for ages,

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Thanks. I’m out here then…

The report of my death was an exaggeration.

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