Individual Outs

cuckoomusic · 2014-02-13T11:52:14.000Z

I believe there is just one FX track, and not one FX unit per track. So in its current form I think it’s not possible to apply FX individually to each track output.

… But the FX track is digital after all, and who knows how much CPU power and memory is left on the Analog Keys… I wouldn’t put my hopes into 4x effect tracks instead of one, but every digital aspect of the Analog Keys can be fundamentally updated in an OS update.

bandersong · 2014-02-13T14:08:35.000Z

Thanks that makes sense.

I’m planning on multitracking the AK into a DAW so that’s really the purpose of my question. As it stands it seems that I will have to run the stereo outs afterall.

mfx · 2014-04-25T23:41:51.000Z

On the subject of individual outs are these mono or stereo.
I am guessing 4 x mono, is this correct?
Can the stereo outs be used as well as the indivudal outs simultanesouly ie
2 stereo and 4 mono (assuming the 4 are mono) or is it one set or the other only?

Thanks

Automux · 2014-04-25T23:48:57.000Z

""mfx"":

On the subject of individual outs are these mono or stereo.
I am guessing 4 x mono, is this correct?
Can the stereo outs be used as well as the indivudal outs simultanesouly ie
2 stereo and 4 mono (assuming the 4 are mono) or is it one set or the other only?

Thanks

Yes the outs are mono and you should be able to use the stereo outs at the same time.
Also it was mentioned regarding Overbridge that over USB you will get an extra effects only track which I imagine you can layer over any or all of the mono tracks.

mfx · 2014-04-26T14:47:23.000Z

""mfx"":

On the subject of individual outs are these mono or stereo.
I am guessing 4 x mono, is this correct?
Can the stereo outs be used as well as the indivudal outs simultanesouly ie
2 stereo and 4 mono (assuming the 4 are mono) or is it one set or the other only?

Thanks

Thanks for the clarification. I’ll wait for the overbridge and make do with what I have for the time being. Still learning how to use the unit.

tsv · 2014-04-26T14:51:38.000Z

The individual outs are actually stereo outs if you use an insert type cable.

Automux · 2014-04-26T15:09:44.000Z

""tsv"":

The individual outs are actually stereo outs if you use an insert type cable.

If I’m not mistaken, aren’t they stereo plugs simply for space savings? So what would be the left channel is one mono part and what would be right channel is the next mono part? Saying they are stereo outs might be a bit misleading though technically correct hardware wise.

tebers · 2014-04-26T16:01:53.000Z

it is stereo outputs.

how is stereo defined ? one left and one right channel
only 3 wires needed for it. one ground, one for left and one for right. so splitcables are ok. btw tried them yesterday ago as well and they work fine.

tsv · 2014-04-26T16:08:26.000Z

It’s the output for one voice mono or poly. But that voice can contain panning information. So it is a stereo output. The insert cables have TRS on one end and 2 TS jacks on the other end. The sleeve carries the common ground for each channel and the tip and ring carry the left and right channels.

Automux · 2014-04-26T22:11:32.000Z

Sorry I just pulled my head out of my ass and realized I was thinking of the Analog Rtym, that one has the stereo outs that output different mono sounds on each side.

orcoaffamato · 2014-08-03T06:55:08.000Z

HI,

sry for bumping this.
I bought an AK and it will arrive to me the next week; regarding the individual outs, for recording their audio signal what cable have I to use? A TRS cable plugged into one in of the Rme Fireface 802 or a TRS Y cable with two TS jacks plugged into two ins?
So do I need to use 4 or 8 ins?

tebers · 2014-08-04T17:54:38.000Z

if you want all 4 indiviual outs in sterio you use 4 Y-Cables means 8 ins you will need

orcoaffamato · 2014-08-04T19:26:17.000Z

""tebers"":

if you want all 4 indiviual outs in sterio you use 4 Y-Cables means 8 ins you will need

Thank you for your answer!

_mr · 2014-08-05T09:30:52.000Z

""bandersong"":

I have a question regarding individual outs. On the routing schematic it seems that the outs can’t be affected by the effects. Is this changeable in any way or is this a fixed thing?

It’s fixed. The FX can only be output on the main outputs.

nirun · 2014-08-05T13:49:02.000Z

until reading this thread I had no clue that the AK had individual stereo outs

looks at empty bank account

Manoeuvre · 2015-11-19T03:38:04.000Z

Well, having only 12 inputs on my Soundcraft Signature 12… If I use mono to mono screened jack leads: Will I suffer any loss in quality? My first test seemed fine. Or I could go for some TRS to XLR, if it will improve recording quality! Pardon my ignorance about this! http://www.juno.co.uk/products/sound-lab-right-angled-6-35mm-mono/582448-01/

Analogic · 2015-11-19T17:35:30.000Z

""Manoeuvre"":

Well, having only 12 inputs on my Soundcraft Signature 12… If I use mono to mono screened jack leads: Will I suffer any loss in quality? My first test seemed fine. Or I could go for some TRS to XLR, if it will improve recording quality! Pardon my ignorance about this! http://www.juno.co.uk/products/sound-lab-right-angled-6-35mm-mono/582448-01/

Sounds like you’re attempting to preserve a balanced signal by using an xlr. Bear in mind the trs plug is meant to carry a stereo signal rather than balanced audio. You’ll miss out on either the left or right audio if you use a mono cable or a trs cable to a mono input.

Manoeuvre · 2015-11-19T22:40:18.000Z

Thanks Analogic. I will put the pan into the track on the mixer. But I don’t want to degrade the signal with the Mono cable I’m using currently. And I guess TRS into XLR on a mono channel is not so logical!

Analogic · 2015-11-20T01:48:27.000Z

""Manoeuvre"":

Thanks Analogic. I will put the pan into the track on the mixer. But I don’t want to degrade the signal with the Mono cable I’m using currently. And I guess TRS into XLR on a mono channel is not so logical!

Glad to help! Finally got to pay it forward.

avantronica · 2015-11-20T09:30:13.000Z

""Analogic"":

[quote=“Manoeuvre”]Well, having only 12 inputs on my Soundcraft Signature 12… If I use mono to mono screened jack leads: Will I suffer any loss in quality? My first test seemed fine. Or I could go for some TRS to XLR, if it will improve recording quality! Pardon my ignorance about this! http://www.juno.co.uk/products/sound-lab-right-angled-6-35mm-mono/582448-01/

Sounds like you’re attempting to preserve a balanced signal by using an xlr. Bear in mind the trs plug is meant to carry a stereo signal rather than balanced audio. You’ll miss out on either the left or right audio if you use a mono cable or a trs cable to a mono input.[/quote]
that doesn’t make any sense to me
firstly TRS doesn’t exclusively imply stereo - it’s just 3 connections
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to answer the first OP question - it will definitely be fine, especially if the cables aren’t long
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next, the elektrons aren’t full-fat balanced, they’re balanced ‘compatible’, so the difference between scenario 1 & 2 is less defined - in either case most gear will be more than capable of adapting to the insertion of a TS cable if it can take a balanced TRS
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it also strikes me there’s a lot of dubious info earlier in this thread regarding teh individual outs - afaik, the individual outs are very much mono, as per OB
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Elektron outs are ‘impedance balanced’

soundonsound.com

Q. How is impedance balancing audio different from normal balancing?

Would impedance balanced and electronic balanced audio provide exactly the same noise reduction as regular symmetrical...

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don’t assume this is correct either