Individual outputs

Abbe · 2018-05-08T15:41:58.845Z

Hi!
I use a Zoom R16 to record my AK, (I don’t want to turn on the computer every time the inspiration flows). I record the 4 tracks to 4 different inputs on the R16. But as I do this the FX is not included in the recording, resulting in a different sound. In order to record the FX I have to connect the AK to the computer via USB, but I’d like to record it straight into the R16.

Any idéas of what I could do?

Thanks!

Abbe · 2018-05-08T16:30:58.462Z

Thanks for linking my question to this thread.

As I understand it from reading here, there is only one FX block, making it impossible to output FX in the individual outs. But it should be possible to have just the FX coming out from the main outs. I’ll check it out, and come back if I have some more questions!

Abbe · 2018-05-09T16:10:48.060Z

They way I solved it is to first check which tracks use FX, and then route them to the main stereo out. If I only use two at a time I can pan them all the way left/right, and record the main outs as two separate mono-tracks with FX.

Although this way works, both in OB and for my Zoom R16, it’s not ideal since it takes some extra effort, and that I only can use FX on two tracks at a time.

I didn’t fully understand how it is possible to solve it another way. I simply want to record the four different tracks separately with FX. Anyone care to explain?

Thanks

avantronica · 2018-05-09T16:57:15.225Z

record and route to mains
First pass mute 2:3:4
Second pass mute 1:3:4
Etc
Etc

Abbe · 2018-05-09T17:16:09.331Z

Thanks, but that’s the way I used to do it previously, recording layer upon layer, but I was hoping there was a way to record all 4 tracks at the same time with FX, so that I didn’t have to record the song in layers.

If only two tracks use FX, I can do it as I described above (mains L = trk1 (pan L), mains R = trk 2 (pan R)), but I wish there was another better way…

I just want the recording process to be as easy as possible. Just to sit down, push “record” on the R16, play something without thinking too much about the process, and then use each track of that recording with extra effects, etc in my daw.

avantronica · 2018-05-09T18:04:30.055Z

Abbe:

4 tracks at the same time with FX

4 (well, technically 8) into two doesn’t go without some merging

there is one stereo send FX block, it’s impossible to get around this, if you want to play all four tracks, they’ll all be going through the FX (either L/R or L+R and I strongly suspect e.g. the reverb is not isolated left to right, so you’re likely still mixing/bleeding track inputs)

overbridge and USB won’t change this if you want to use the internal FX

you have to work with the configuration as is

maybe as a compromise record dry directs and also just the (merged)FX returns at mains - all in one pass

this is all well discussed

Abbe · 2018-05-09T18:07:54.688Z

Ok, I see. Thanks a lot anyways, Avantronica, for your input! At least I’m a bit wiser now

Holygroover · 2022-06-01T00:50:20.473Z

I typically route two voices to their own outputs and process them with external fx. I like the internal fx and what you can do with parameters locks and performance mode, but using my own fx can be an awful lot of fun too (Meris Polymoon, Strymon Night Sky, Death By Audio Rooms, Catalinbread Montivillian et al) and opens up a lot of sonic possibilities. Having said that, I usually leave the other two voices on the mains and use them with the internal fx, with the option of adding a second voice to a track. I feel I get the most out of it this way.

kilroy.was · 2023-09-17T13:01:06.862Z

Hey all,

Can I make the following?

I want TRK1 which has the drums, send thru an external distortion pedal and send it to a mixer. (No A4 fx)

While I want master TRK2-3-4 (with FX) send to the mixer as well.

However, in the main out I do not want the TRK1 to include.

Is this possible?

Ps. Do I see correctly that all A4 Mk2 individual outs are stereo?

ccr · 2023-09-17T13:17:23.905Z

kilroy.was:

However, in the main out I do not want the TRK1 to include.

Yes, you can “unassign” a track from the main out.

dobermate · 2023-09-17T14:24:21.587Z

kilroy.was:

Do I see correctly that all A4 Mk2 individual outs are stereo?

This is correct, also correct for the AK (which I’m using all the time )

avantronica · 2023-09-17T15:01:16.758Z

dobermate:

This is correct

I was intending to ‘correct’ you on the semantics of mixing up TRS with Stereo - but, colour me surprised, you are right (as the manual states) the Track outs are indeed stereo (and not balanced)

every day is a school day - i am utterly convinced that i have answered this wrong in the past (wrt the Mk2) … oops!

it’s not something i’m gonna use very often to be fair, but i am storing this correction in my mind now thanks to your prompting me to reply … the Mk2 is quite a powerhouse

dobermate · 2023-09-17T17:17:25.066Z

Really happy about it being stereo outs!

I have my 2 AKs taking up 16 mono channels on my Midas console (+ their main L/Rs for fx to the fx returns) and I’m quite frequently using at least 2 tracks from each AK for panned soundlocks- making it essentially a 12 mono line setup.

I’m also using them to control a B2600 Blue Marvin each so I fully agree with you - super powerful, even the mk1 line when using the AK!

FiveTenFiftyfold · 2023-09-19T11:07:31.782Z

This got me thinking… you can route all 4 track channels to the individual stereo out, pre-FX. When you do this, can you still get the FX only going to the master outs?

Octagonist · 2023-09-19T11:57:21.385Z

FiveTenFiftyfold:

can you still get the FX only going to the master outs?

From just five messages upthread:

Individual outputs Analog Keys/Four

Yes, you can “unassign” a track from the main out.

dobermate · 2023-09-19T11:58:51.334Z

Absolutely - I’m doing just that myself by routing my AKs out to 16 separate channels on the console and then their respective FX return come in on dedicated send returns. In fact, since I like the AK FX so much, I’m using 2 sends from the console, one to each AK input, so instead of routing just the AKs’ internal tracks to fx I’m now utilizing the inputs for all my synths/samplers .

FiveTenFiftyfold · 2023-09-19T12:02:04.096Z

Thanks guys, really appreciated! I am going to try this out later… so if I understand correctly basically by unassigning the individual tracks from the master out, the master out will by nature still send the FX only (wet only)

Octagonist · 2023-09-19T12:05:28.952Z

Manual, p.29:

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Access this page by tapping [Kit], and then [Down] a few times to find [VOICE ROUTING] menu option, then tapping [Yes] to enter it.

You can send any of the four tracks to either Main or FX sends, or both. The FX returns always feed into Main, but if you don’t send anything to the FX, you wont have any signal at the return.

FiveTenFiftyfold · 2023-09-19T12:24:49.275Z

Thanks a bunch! I need to re-read that manual… sorry should have checked that first before posting… RTFM and all that. Can’t believe I have never done this after 8 years or whatever it is with the AK.

Thanks again for taking the time to send that, answers everything - really appreciated!

Octagonist · 2023-09-19T12:39:50.965Z

To be honest, I have not read the Four’s manual cover to cover. I look stuff up when I need it or am interested. Elektron manuals geneally have what you need but sometimes not where you’d first think to look. Fortunately they’re highly cross-referenced.