@mewraz - If you were just looking to give power to the iPhone with the powered USB hub, then you’re good to go with that. I just wanted to make sure you were trying to implement core MIDI or core audio support this way.
The ‘Host Port’ on the iConnectMIDI4+ will be looking for class compliant MIDI devices - so it will not work with a class compliant audio device.
-JS
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@mewraz - If you were just looking to give power to the iPhone with the powered USB hub, then you’re good to go with that. I just wanted to make sure you were trying to implement core MIDI or core audio support this way.
The ‘Host Port’ on the iConnectMIDI4+ will be looking for class compliant MIDI devices - so it will not work with a class compliant audio device.
-JS
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Okay, cool thanks for the clarification! Then I will use it as an external effect units which is also awesome 
It just opened up so many possibilities my brain hurts a little 
I’m glad this thread bumped. Sounds like iConnectMIDI 4+ should play nice with the KMI Softstep 2 (USB foot controller), OP-1, iPad, and Octatrack (via traditional MIDI jack, not USB).
I finally got the Logidy UMI3 to kinda work with the iConnectMIDI4+.
I still am unable to get it to work on the USB Host Port. I had to plug it into my MBP then install MIDI-Monitor. In MM there is a “THRU” setting… choose the UMI3 as in then the iCM4+ as out. It then routes perfectly to the already setup OT.
The intent is to get it setup for looping with Pickup Machines, but for now just getting to send the Start/Stop to the sequencer allowed me to just quickly see if it was working.
I also tested the Logidy V0.92 to be able to use the Auto Step Mode. It is my understanding that this mode will not work if the software is not working. It worked well. NOT what I wanted, a simple hardware only setup… but for now in my home studio where I normally have the whole rig attached to a MBP anyway, it will do.
I can not believe that an affordable compliant small form factor pedal is so hard to find. I don’t want that huge Berhinger pedal in my small studio if I can avoid it… but that is my problem.
I am happy I can now start using the Pickup Machines easier… just thought I would share this fix for anyone who might have a foot pedal or other device that does not work on the USB Host Port of the iCM4+. If you have the iCM2+, this will probably work too because the 2+ has no USB Host Port.
This is a screenshot showing the setup that works for me.
Have you checked out this pedal from Line6?
I too have been searching for a small form factor USB midi foot controller.
Currently I am using the Softstep 2 and works great with in 4+ but not so sure how I feel about the rubber buttons. Since there is not really a “click” with these type of buttons sometimes i either trigger the loop accidentally or not at all.
I think I saw Nigel Godrich using the Line6 pedal with his project “Ultraista”. I assume he was using it to trigger a looper in Ableton. Although I’m not sure how great those plastic type switches feel? Looks like there is a free editor from Line 6 that allows you to set up the type of midi commands for each switch.
The hunt continues…
I had always thought those were ONLY for Line 6 gear/amps. That does not look too bad and it has an editor so you can set the pedals to anything you want.
Just found one online and it was the exact same price as the Logidy, $79!
Will see how that works.
I had always thought those were ONLY for Line 6 gear/amps. That does not look too bad and it has an editor so you can set the pedals to anything you want.
Just found one online and it was the exact same price as the Logidy, $79!
Will see how that works.[/quote]
Well it is plastic, but for my carpeted studio use it is sturdy enough plastic. The TOP is metal, but the bottom where all the abuse will be felt is a heavy plastic. Not sure how it would handle road use.
The downside is no NOTE ON option!
Bank Change, Program Change, MIDI CC, MME and Mackie only.
It was pretty cheap though, so not sure if I will return it or try using it with the iPad to control effects on their.
But as a standalone pedal as is with the iCM4+ to the OT… not sure this is the unit.
Wonder if the iCM4+ can change MIDI CC to NOTE ON message? Will lok into that.
I had always thought those were ONLY for Line 6 gear/amps. That does not look too bad and it has an editor so you can set the pedals to anything you want.
Just found one online and it was the exact same price as the Logidy, $79!
Will see how that works.[/quote]
Well it is plastic, but for my carpeted studio use it is sturdy enough plastic. The TOP is metal, but the bottom where all the abuse will be felt is a heavy plastic. Not sure how it would handle road use.
The downside is no NOTE ON option!
Bank Change, Program Change, MIDI CC, MME and Mackie only.
It was pretty cheap though, so not sure if I will return it or try using it with the iPad to control effects on their.
But as a standalone pedal as is with the iCM4+ to the OT… not sure this is the unit.
Wonder if the iCM4+ can change MIDI CC to NOTE ON message? Will lok into that.[/quote]
Cool, thanks for the info on the Line6 controller pedal. Not sure about the 4+ CC to note on conversion though. I gave up on trying to get the pickup machines working for me on the OT and just use a Pigtronix Infinity looper pedal now to handle my vocal looping duties. It has tight midi clock sync and has been working great for me so far.
I’ve read a similar complaint about the original Softstep, especially if the user prefers wearing heavy shoes/boots. One of those users ended up with a Gordius Little Giant:
http://www.gordius.be/midi-footcontroller-lg.php
Liquid Foot might also be worth a look:
http://www.famcmusic.com/store/
I’ll take my chances with the SoftStep2 - compared to the other options, it is the lightest and lowest cost. Because the buttons are pressure sensitive, I don’t need to hook up additional expression pedals. If it doesn’t work out for me, I can always sell it and get one of the above, albeit at greater cost.
Ok, the converting MIDI CC to Note On in iCM4+ is not available… you can have it convert one MIDI CC to another though… that would come in handy is you have a pedal that has fixed MIDI CC values and there is no way to change it. I think I saw some older MIDI pedals on ebay that had no editors… might look into a few to see if there is one cheap enough, there may be a way to still get them to be useful.
What I did find, and so glad to learn something new… the OT has the ability to accept incoming MIDI CC and convert it to a Note On internally! (everyone who knew this can now laugh at the simpleton)
So, I should be able to set the FBV Express MkII to send MIDI CC to CC#59, with the value equaling the Note On value as indicated in the manual… like this:
Button 1 = MIDI CC #59, Value 60 = Combo Rec
Button 3 = MIDI CC # 59, Value 64 = Pickup Start/Stop
Button 2 = MIDI CC #59, Value 69 = Active track down
Button 4 = MIDI CC #59, Value 68 = Active track up
The expression pedal can be assigned to CC48 to work the crossfader I guess… not sure how I would use it much… I like using the OT’s built in… but there may come times a foot control of the crossfader is useful.
The exp pedal can be used for the effects though… I can think of a ton of ways that can useful.
Oh, and the other great thing is that the iCM4+ recognizes all 4 ports of the FBV Express MkII. So once I get it programmed to work with the OT, no laptop needed. NICE.
for $79 it looks like the FVB Express MkII will work out fine as a controller for the OT when used via the iCM4+… too bad the Logidy does not work.
No laughter from me. That info is buried DEEP in the manual - not an easy find at all.
Another foot controller option for those still looking:
http://www.disasterareaamps.com/shop/dmc-8d-midi-foot-controller
It even mentions the Octatrack. Could be a good solution if you’re on a budget and know exactly what you want from your controller.
I’m looking at Softstep 2 because it wouldn’t be used just for Octatrack - it could also be used to trigger any number of things on the bazillion iPad apps that I have.
I have looked at a lot of the Disaster Area devices. Especially the 4 button boxes that come up on Reverb a lot. they look like they are heavy duty and will hold up on road use. I like that they have MIDI built in, so no need for iCM4+ with OT. It looks like some versions come preset with specific MIDI for certain devices. Some have an editor so can program them, but none looked like they could do NOTE ON (not as important anymore). The version for the OT is $279, that is way out of the budget for me.
I agree, in the price range of the Softstep and DMC-8D… the Softstep would be much more versatile.
Now that I know you can use MIDI CC to#59 to trigger the Note On settings on the OT, it might be useful to check out reverb.com for some of the used Disaster Area 4 button controllers. I like the small space savings.
No laughter from me. That info is buried DEEP in the manual - not an easy find at all.[/quote]
Nor from me either!
Can the OT put this morphed midi event back out through Midi Out?
If so that’s extraordinary and adds significant €£$ value to the box![/quote]
Thanx to both of you for not laughing
I will confirm this, but I am pretty sure it does NOT send the Note On OUT of the MIDI… it only receives the MIDI CC on CC#59 and then acts on whatever value you sent… i.e. Value=33 will trigger “Seq stop”, Value=60 for “Combo rec”, etc (see C-1 of manual for additional options)
But it is a good question and I can confirm that easy as I have a MIDI Monitor recording all my events to help me map everything right now. It may also be there is a setting that can be turned on to allow that.
Will try it out later tonight and post results.
sorry to bump this thread, but I was considering getting the Iconnect midi +2, but I’ve read that it can’t work as a MIDI-USB host…
I’m looking to use a nanoKontrol as a midi controller for the Octatrack, so I guess the Kenton host is the cheapest option right? have in mind I don’t want any computers in the middle… thanks!
I didn’t get an iConnectMIDI4+ because I want to send audio into the iPad for use with FX apps like Swoopster, iDensity, etc. and use MIDI at the same time - the iConnect box would have disabled the audio portion.
Here are some other alternatives to iConnect for USB host:
http://www.disasterareaamps.com/shop/ghost-converter
The iPad itself can supposedly serve as USB host.
if want to do that between a mac and an ipad yo don’t need hardware anymore.
There is a way, in the iconnect app, to turn off the audio portion of the iconnectmidi4+, if that’s what you are referring to… Then you can still use the headphone input; not sure if another audio io might work via usb hub.
I’m not a fan of the audio pass thru, hasn’t worked well for me.
if want to do that between a mac and an ipad yo don’t need hardware anymore.[/quote]
Do not want.
Longer explanation: Goal is to eventually put the iPad in the Aux Send of my mixer - then I can route audio into the iPad for FX processing. Also use iPad both as MIDI controller (eg. a sequencer app) and MIDI slave (eg. hardware keyboard controlling synth on iPad). Mixer output goes into either PA for live performance or hardware recorder for recording.
Note that Mac is not mentioned anywhere.
You need an alesis io dock. I have one and use it for all that you mention
