I want more than 64 steps on the MS - videos attached

Roger · 2022-07-30T22:09:24.355Z

One workaround for that is to assign the underlined FILL condition to the trigs you want to “mute”. Then when you hold PAGE only the remaining trigs will play.

license · 2022-07-30T22:36:47.599Z

For posterity, just to combine all these and take this to its logical extreme…

Maximum sequence length is 64 steps
Slowest scale speed is 1/8
Lowest fraction of regular trig conditions is x:8

= 64 * 8 * 8 = up to 4096 steps before the step is heard again.

Plus, as @Roger mentioned, you can nudge (microtime) the steps to achieve finer resolutions - you’re not limited to half-notes.
Also, you can use different trig condition values for other steps on that track, so it’s even longer before the same bar is heard again, especially with prime or mutually prime denominators (x:3, x:5, and x:7 in particular). Or just try probabilities for some randomness.
You can also still use retrigs for drum rolls and fun velocity tricks.

You can do a lot with just one slow track!

Paulsvibes · 2022-07-31T02:28:24.077Z

Oh right right i do recall that can be done. Not a bad ideas its like cheating in an extra organic track. so it only works for one set of steps which are all set to Fill.

Roger · 2022-07-31T02:51:10.025Z

Right, it’s a trade-off

You gotta recognize that Elektron groove boxes are not gonna bow to your musical ideas as most people are used to in DAWs. They’re like… “sequencer playgrounds”. The limits are there because it gives things immediacy. From there, you can add more flexibility and lose immediacy as you go. If that makes sense. You can make your song on there for sure just don’t expect every idea you have to fit in one pattern. And if you want to stay on one pattern because it doesn’t have kits but the length restriction is too annoying there’s always external sequencing. Don’t beat your head too much forcing things.

You’ll do it anyway and eventually learn. I think we all do…

Paulsvibes · 2022-07-31T03:55:36.934Z

Sounds good ty and makes sense - (i do have an Arturia beatstep Pro, so it can trigger steps from it if i wanted as if its another Track). Now if i wanted to get another unit synth that allows uploaded wav audio file for samples and sequencing steps, and tracks… is there a different look and feel unit that would do similar but maybe in that $100 to $300 range?

Roger · 2022-08-01T06:11:37.702Z

Not in that price range.

license · 2022-08-01T12:10:13.624Z

A Sony PSP (OG, not Vita) or similar retro gaming handheld console running LGPT. It’s M8’s granddaddy. Don’t expect MIDI sync without a lot of work though.

Paulsvibes · 2022-08-02T04:30:00.392Z

what would you recommend, go ahead even if its a couple digit places out of price range?
Or should i go Euro modular to join the “patch cable Space” many get stuck in with to accomplish the simplicities i want? lol (sarcasm intended here ). But im willing to explore if i can keep it simple(stupid).

Paulsvibes · 2022-08-02T04:31:22.872Z

Is there a youtube video demo on the custom piece your mentioning?

license · 2022-08-02T04:44:36.939Z

There’s a ton of stuff on YouTube, but unfortunately its heyday was around 2010 when video quality standards were much lower, so a lot of the videos out there have nice beats but you can’t tell what the hell is happening on the screen. Example:

Roger · 2022-08-02T04:51:37.884Z

What you want is a Deluge. They can be had for a little more than that used but trust me it’s worth it.

Paulsvibes · 2022-08-06T19:53:35.183Z

I see and understand how it can get down to a micro level. If I’m wanting T1 (Track 1) with steps that stick with its 1 sound sample in sequence, because if i add another sound sample into this same Track 1 even if its micro or scaled to trig condition or underline FILL (hold Page to play those) i would have to hold that page the entire time, so i do have a Pedal Midi Mouse to turn a midi Program or Channel or Button On, curious if it will keep the PAGE button on for this ModelSamples(?) and how dig into the MS’s more interior mapping? Thats one goal idea which would be very cool to make it stay on then just tap pedal to turn/release PAGE to off(which is back to default normal or i can press it manually.

Other idea i want to do but if possible, Using my Arturia beat step pro to control and sequence to play the Steps that are on their own steps for 1 sample but be play as a seperate Track even though they are sitting on Track (T1) while the regular other sample is on the other steps of the T1 Track 1. So im expanding T1 into somewhat mor ethan one Track with control by the Arturia, and all the steps i want to trigger on MS can be set to its own unique Midi Channel? or maybe so the Arturia beat step pro can just be sequenced on itself to play the one step with sample on it that sits in T1/Track 1 of the ModelSamples? Hold down a step then go through the menu?

Paulsvibes · 2022-08-06T22:24:00.470Z

Roger:

Deluge

ebay its $700, ill take it down a notch by a few hundred bucks, open to other or might consider just a secondary Elektron. Or a Keyboard Synth with lots of goodie programs on it for Trance, EDM, Techno etc (?)

Paulsvibes · 2022-08-19T05:28:05.026Z

Hi Roger im looking to find what is that mixer this guy uses on upper right its got some cool looking circular shaped controls: Psychedelic Improv Techno (Circuit Tracks X RC-505) at Mauerpark 10/17/21 Full Set - Gray Contrast - YouTube ?

elek-trick · 2022-08-19T17:56:57.329Z

and I want more than 64 million dollars on my bank account…

Octagonist · 2022-08-19T21:23:54.480Z

Paulsvibes:

that mixer this guy uses on upper right its got some cool looking circular shaped controls

Looks like a Loop Station to me.

https://www.boss.info/uk/products/rc-505/

Paulsvibes · 2022-08-21T05:47:37.000Z

Sweet how did you find it ? Google images or Google image scan?

JohnnyEgo · 2022-08-21T06:26:35.793Z

i would just love to see that the grid resolution increases when setting it to half speed or 1/8th.

to allow a smooth recording which doesn’t break up because the resolution is just spread to wide and therefore can’t grab any note in between.

Octagonist · 2022-08-21T08:20:38.867Z

Paulsvibes:

Sweet how did you find it

A friend has one.

Paulsvibes · 2022-09-13T02:47:53.829Z

its wow been since 2022 that i was needing to come back here and i saw this now, but revising my post. Everything is resolved nicely. Thanks so much.

I think my next step was if i wanted to get my next level synth that can handle more or have higher quality staple Synth or Program Sound Libraries i can browse and sequence that has a keyboard layout with sequencer maybe or maybe still similar to a Boutique Korg Bass in size with features but im mostly focusing in on getting sounds that you hear most recent trending with quality but i do know i can sound design then go from there. I am looking for old school sounds used in hiphop, but i’m producing and live performancing with hardware synths my style of blended original EDM + KPop + JPop (vocals, etc), I’m still focused with keeping trance sounds like acid bass, future bass, trance pads, chords, percussive sounds like ATB, Armin Van Buuren, Paul Van Dyk, then maybe gating vocals for a a nice angelic vocals or regular vocal stutters :).

So far i have a juno boutique JU-06A but one thing about this is its sadly doesnt have Bank or Project Saving. Does a boutique korg bass have larger sequence and project saving.

Biggest things to me now in production are Project saving (patterns, sounds, and synth tracks, midi tracks like my Nov. Circuit Tracks does.)

I appreciate any steps into a next level instrument that will get me vibing and economically priced for lower budget + brand name trendy. I have only one keyboard synth and its a m-audio venom old school.