I’m done with Elektron


#438

Now, after having followed some of your started threads, I would say, they developed into seriously discussions about stirring questions or topics, because people wanted to share their opinions.

You seem to have a talent to stirr the beehive in a positive way. Please continue :+1:

BTW … those pop-corn postings have been a lot of fun to read and enjoy too :smiley:


#439

Thanks :slight_smile: I appreciate your honesty and thoughts on this. They made my day better. And it was pretty good to begin with.


#440

Oo-poppa-doo, how do y’all do?

I’m Mr. Wiggles the Worm, these are my ladies Giggle and Squirm
Three bionic idiots
Your DJs for the Affair
Where we’ll be gettin’ down and won’t be comin’ up for air.
May I have this swim?

I got a string on my thang (Mmh)
Rhythm in my thang (Wind me up)
I can do my thang underwater
I got a string attached to my thang
When you pull my string
I can do my thang like I oughta

Ooh, the Motor Booty Affair–this IS the big one
The marathon, not your average 50-yard dash of Funk
The Olympics, cross-country style

Comin’ to you from #1 Bimini Road,
In beautiful downtown Atlantis
Where you might see the jellyfish jammin’ with the salmon
Come face to face with a mouth named Jaws,
Freak out with a Mermaid named Rita
And meet Mr. Wiggles the Worm

Check me out
I can slide between the molecules of wetness like an eel through seaweed
One slithering idiot
Mr. Wiggles here…
Your DJ for the Affair
We will be gettin’ down and won’t be coming up for air
So you can leave your nose at home
You might wanna rent a blowhole. OH!

Let me bait my rap (Heh!)
Go Wiggle
This fish tale begins where most fish tails end
With a school of fool fish
Playin’ hooky from school and gettin caught…AND LIKIN’ IT!!!

Mr. Wiggles the Worm here

Sayin’ this is an underwater story in the fields of your mind
We’re swimmin’ past a clock who has it’s hand behind it’s back
On past reality, he ain’t lookin’ for a moment
We’ll leave a candle in the windows of our conscious mind
And we’ll find our way back to the One in time

The Motor Booty Affair, where you can dance underwater and not get wet

Mr. Wiggles here on roller skates and a yo-yo
Actin’ the FOOL, one slithering idiot
These are my ladies Giggles and Squirm
We are three bionic worms
Your DJ for the Affair
And I can do my thang underwater, HA!

Comin’ to you live from #1 Bimini Road
In the Emerald City, downtown Atlantis…

Mr. Wiggles here,
Sayin’ Ee-tiddley-tock, oh I’m the Jock and I’m back on the scene with my record machine sayin’
Oo-poppa-doo how y’all do? (We’re swimmin’ past a clock who has it’s hand behind it’s back
On past reality, he ain’t lookin’ for a moment)

Go wiggle!
To all the fish and the fishies, go wiggle! (We’ll leave a candle in our conscious mind…with the One)
To all the fish and the fishes, go wiggle!

OHHH!! GO WIGGLE!!! GO WIGGLE!!!

From the ocean comes the notion that real lies in the eyes of rhythm
And the rhythm of vision is a dancer
From the lookin’ comes the seeing
One with real eyes realize that the rhythm of vision is a dancer
And when he dance it’s always on the One. (Aquadooloop baby!)
Goin’ down you could see sounds of silence
Primal heartbeats could be seen with the naked eye
(What in the world is that worm talkin’ about?)
And the ones with real eyes realize that everything is on the One. Go Wiggle!

Psychoalphadiscobetabioaquadooloop go wiggle!

Swimmin on past your conscious mind, who’s tied up for a moment
But he’ll be back on time. In the meantime… go wiggle!


#441

This definitely saved my day. Great reading … and … any similarities with some equally complicated word … are complete accidental :slight_smile:


#442

That shit is deep


#443

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#445

I’m not done with my Octatrack until I actually learn how to use it.


#446

I too had my doubts on Elektron gear at first. BUT the more I learn, invest and dig deeper the more joy it brings. I think it plays well with other gear like modular and other synths. For hardware, it feels closest to a real instrument outside of far more expensive modular gear.

I could spend 50k on a fancy Eurorack setup but it would not really do much more for me than my two small Elektron boxes and the ability to bring one Elektron black box to an event and play cool tunes is priceless. The dive bars have limited table space and quick setup is ideal for me to have fun.


#447

and then you will not want to part with it!

Cirklon makes a nice modular sequencer but super expensive. The OT is gold.


#448

I know guys that start with Elektron and then dive into expensive larger Eurorack gears. Be careful! Sadly there Elektron boxes sit there neglected and unused.


#449

Don’t worry. It’s me and my Prophet now and we’re quite happy together😊


#451

Right… Because every single synth before elektron (B.E.) was a 70’s analog synth that only responds to CV/gate, doesn’t have stable tuning and you need tons of converters to use it.

:thinking:
Hmm,. nope, doesn’t compute.

Good boxes that you can do things with can be had elsewhere.


#452

There is an extreme overabundance in the west and it makes many unhappy as they struggle to find meaning in their lives. You see this as complaints and criticisms become more and more micro from those seemingly unaware of the amazing gifts we’ve been given. One can focus on getting something done or one can focus on excuses for not being able to do anything, it seems. But then there are only ever a small percentage of people that get things done, so there is that.


#453

i so appreciate the ambient coolness and existential propositions presented by a few posts on this thread, although the fact remains that not many have access to a pair of trained dolphins.


#454

:dolphin::dolphin:


#455

Dolphins fly for free above the ocean


#456

I’m also going through these waves of “being through” with Elektron. Just a couple of weeks ago I decided to round up all my Elektron gear and let them out on the 'bay. Today I am back with the Analog Rytm and I’m loving every moment of it. Damn that thing sounds incredible with samples.

/C


#457

I think I really am done with Elektron. I can’t believe I’m saying it, but yeah.

The core of my studio is my DAW, and how my other gear integrates with that is important to me. I’ve spent the past two years really loving the OT and AR. But when it comes time to integrate them back into my songwriting workflow, it’s a pain. Neither the OT nor AR will output midi, so I can’t quickly dump tracks into the DAW. Hell the OT won’t receive midi if I wanted to sequence it. Sure, you can sample loops of your work into the DAW, but through the process of writing a song, I always need to go back to the source, to delete a snare, to tweak a sound. Overbridge is a type of integration, but not the type I need.

What eventually wore me down, was a lack of basics, and limitations that don’t exist in software or modern hardware. How to backup my AR? Export midi from OT or AR? nope. Only 8 songs in song-mode on the OT? I was putting two songs into one, with space between to get around that limitation. When I had to go back and edit those songs, I immediately blew my alcohol budget ; -)

I have an MPC Live, and hadn’t given it the same amount of attention I had my Elektron gear, because quite frankly, it’s not as fun to use. There is no doubt, the XoX button row of the Elektron stuff is immediately gratifying to me. P-Locks do in fact rule. But once I decided to rebuild my projects in the MPC, it was like a thick fog was lifted. You don’t think about how many tracks, how much memory, how many samples in a kit. These are all absurdly abundant in the MPC. In fact I put my 8 favourite kits into one MPC kit (8 pages of 16 samples per kit). When I want to write a song, I don’t have to think about what kit to load, it’s all there in one giant kit! Such a simple thing makes a bigger difference than I had expected. Will it be 606 or 808 hats? Try both, figure it out later, no commitments.

The plug-in software for the MPC makes it work like NI Maschine, except that you can unplug it and use it live without a computer. You can sequence it from within the plug-in, or sequence in the DAW which I do, so I can cut and paste chunks around while arranging. That is important to me. Slice a chorus and take all of it’s relevant tracks in one chunk. But if I have beats in the machine I want to try in a song, I can use the sequencer in the plug-in. I can also easily export that midi to my DAW as well.

No more converting to 48K for the AR. No more p-locking a new sample on every new pattern of the OT because you can only use the same slot across all 16 patterns in a bank. No more convoluted file system issues. No more workarounds.

Saving a song in my DAW saves the state of the MPC - so I don’t have to coordinate backups. I don’t have to figure out what to load into the hardware in order to have it match the song in the DAW. I go back to songs that are years old on a fairly regular basis. I work on multiple projects at once, so coordinating my Elektron hardware with the songs they match, is not an insignificant task.

Don’t get me wrong. No regrets here. I’ve really enjoyed using the Elektron gear. I love spending time with hardware away from my computer, but I eventually need to reconnect that work to my DAW. I will be honest, I don’t find the MPC Live as fun to use. But I get more work done, and I get it done faster. It’s very utilitarian!

The MPC does have it’s limitations too. In standalone mode you can only use the Akai plug-ins and they suck. Hard. The reverb is atrocious. So I will probably use one pair of stereo outputs to go to a reverb when using it live. In the DAW, I can use my Lexicon reverbs in ways you can’t with the Elektron stuff, at the sample level, kit level, sub-mix, etc. etc. Lots of options there. There are a few other issues, but midi modulation is handled like it would be in a DAW, and that is a clunky substitute for P-Locks.

I still have the Analog Heat, and have no intention of selling it. It doesn’t slow my workflow in any way.

Just my two cents.
(I suspect more than two, if you did a word count of this post!)


#458

I believe they call that Stockholm syndrome. I too suffer from this.


#459

I totally get where you are coming from with the limits on Elektron gear. For studio work, my Push 2 works well for recording to Ableton and I have tons of VSTs to use. The only reason why I even bought the Elektron gear was for live performances to go laptop free. I tried out MPC and Elektron and did not like the MPC. But I probably won’t buy any new Elektron gear until they get better integration with DAW computer software. Love the A4+OT for live performances.