hi guys … here is a thing that I seem not to be able to get out of my head … except for self made sounds from A4 MD MM + microphone, I feel like I am a cheater when I use samples (sample loops to be precise) … just messed around with some brakebeat / DnB samples, and the moment I throw these into the OT, I feel like somebody is knocking at my door and says “hey, did you draw that, or did you just cut out Mona Lisas eyes, and used some banksy in the background, and pretend you drew the picture” … figuratively speaking off course …
single wave samples, I am a bit more comfortable … but would really like to create the pieces by myself … always had (noobish) good results with my vengeance packs (bs, claps, snare, HH OH etc. ) while I was using ableton, but I wanna stick to my hardware elektrons (fuck off overbridge…naah kidding) …
also, STABS (chords from old school synths I could never afford) I seem to be slightly more okay, but still, the non existing fuckery options, like with MM and A4 make me feel extremely limited, next to the feeling I am an imposter / (there is a fairy tale in german, and the saying goes: you beautify yourself up with stolen feathers)
btw: creating old school brakebeats /dnb loops semmed too hard for me over the last few years …
Approach sample loops like any other source. Instead of a lonely trig on 1, slice that thing, drop random trigs, wildly plock with no forethought, stretch it out until a polyrhythm appears.
Or maybe create a super short staccato envelope, hit the start/end with LFOs, and drop a stream of trigs.
No need to feel bad using loops, they are just a sound. If you have a way to use that sound to express what you are saying, that thing right there is the magic.
Almost all DNB breaks originated as samples. Don’t feel bad for using them.
The Amen break is one of the most used sample ever. Came from Amen my brother by the Winstons. Hot pants and funky drummer came from james brown, ya bad sista From lyn Collins think. Ect.
wow, …, an Allerian post, wicked !!! you will always be remembered in my musical memory for the mylittlepony break action SRR headnodding beauty! … hmmm… when I heard that track, i was like, jeesus, I wanna be “that” good with sample mangling and yet, I keep myself from growing into that direction … thanks for your post, will keep in mind …will see how things are progressing …
also thanks for suggestion with the short staccato thing (whatever that is )
hi bro … thanks for your post! … you are probably right … if I heard some dude with a wicked tune, knowing he / she was using samples, I would probably appreciate the “art” behind using the machine / sampler, and his / her skill plus the result, which makes me groovy … and NEVER be out there complaining about this and that not being original … i wonder where this "I must create everything from scratch, or I am a cheater mentality comes from … any psychologists in this forum?
break long and prosper!
hi Van … you have a good point … in my (non native) head compose ( … COMPOSE Definition & Meaning | Dictionary.com … ) and composition are 2 different kind of things … none the less, Duke Ellington’s words DO make sense here … ( however I had to google him …) …
was just creating this thread to get it off my chest, and see how other feel / think … so I assume you do use sampleloops ? … cheers buddy and thanks for chiming in!
EDIT - I think if I feel anything other than inspired I’ll not use whatever it is I’m using, instrument or sound… That said as somebody said above If it sounds good it is and nobody will ever be able to judge you on a mangled sample/break anyway.
hey smokeyfrog … this method of mind altering does actually not work for me … I usually use the ABC tequnique / method … where A in an initial event or Action, … then B comes into play, which is my Believe System which usually goes unnoticed, but rules and governs everything in my thinking, and then C is (you may have guessed) the Conclusion … so, then, when I am in this sort of mental state where I kinda discover that something is wrong, I observe myself going from A to C and obviously ignore B, which then , and this is the biggie, have to figure out what B is, where B comes from, why it has an established “place” in my head, and how I would be able to change it … … why do I feel like a cheater if I use sample loops: because I think a “real” artist would not use other peoples work,…, but what I have learnt in this thread (so far), using sample loops is a topic many others have been confronted with, and probably is not as much “intolerable” as I was thinking… plus , there is no judge with a silver sword hovering above my head, who will chop it of … still the question remains, not only why do I feel like a cheater, but also, why the fuck am I writing this essay … dont worry TrabanT I tell myself … now I shall chop some breaks with the OT … rant is over!
Don’t be ashamed of using loops and whatnot. many other people do.
I don’t mind that everybody knows I got a bunch of sample-cd’s.
And I use vst-trickery before I put stuff on bandcamp. And the only reason I often use raw footage on youtube is because I am a lazy bum…
Like most in life, you get out of it what you put in… and it sucks ass if somebody clearly hears a prefab sample and tells everybody on the internet your fake. But like the others say: mangle, abuse, have fun doing your thing. sample your abuse… mangle it some more. have more fun.
rinse and repeat until your music sounds like you want it. and share it with the world with pride
And yes, I do sample childrenstoys… or shit in my garden… or my angry wife screaming at me (that one made a great lead-synth)… But I am to old to learn every nuance of every genre out there… don’t have the time to build my own sample-library for all those genre’s… And I am to dumb to program my machinedrum to sound like EVERY other drummachine in the world… and just like you, I cannot afford to buy every synth and drummachine in the world…
So yeah sample-cd’s are great for the music I just wanna play with.
and the results of those experiments make great sample-fodder for the music that I present to the world as “the typical uncle-dreamer sound”
playing around with stuff is a great way to learn things.
yep, that sure is THE thing I would like to do … B U T … I used a breakbeat sample a couple of days ago, it was set to 135 BPM , I eq ed the base out, so I was only left with the hihats, this sounded so FUCKING amazing over my 125 BPM 4 on the floor from my MD, I was INSTANTLY TAKEN TO ANOTHER LEVEL, to another production level, …, I sounded like Avizi, Skrillecs, danishousemafioso, etc … and that screwed it for me! … because I wanna be “that” good with my MD, and not having to resort to that sort of trickery … but as I am reading in this thread, it sure is not the end of the world … good to talk about it … cheers DL, thanks for posting … true, that creating them loops by yourself is / would be more fun… damn. … I am still hiding behind : I only started making music like 4 years ago,…, but I cannot use this one forever… goddamnit, fucking rant from me,… gonna stop now…
cheers
hi Van … you have a good point … in my (non native) head compose ( … COMPOSE Definition & Meaning | Dictionary.com … ) and composition are 2 different kind of things … none the less, Duke Ellington’s words DO make sense here … ( however I had to google him …) …
was just creating this thread to get it off my chest, and see how other feel / think … so I assume you do use sampleloops ? … cheers buddy and thanks for chiming in![/quote]
hey trabant, the etymology of the word is (discardless of your “non native head… thing” is from latin and it just means what i’ve already said.
because you’re a german here is a description for ya: http://de.wikibooks.org/wiki/Latein/_Fachbegriffe/_Kompositum
yeah, slicing and choping and recording and again slicing, recording, rearranging and so on, till it sounds good!
then it realy doesn’t matter from what or where you have choosen your material or how you didi it. realy - just doesn’t matter!
but this is something we all have learned at least from the hipidy-hopidy era aren’t we?
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