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Hey everyone!
Just got my Explorer and I’m thoroughly impressed!
There’s one thing I’m trying to do that the synth is not allowing however. I’m sending program changes from Ableton Live, and I can only access the first 128 patches this way, it seems there’s no way to get to anything in banks F-H. Anyone know the way around this? Thanks!
I haven’t tried this but if you look a the MIDI CC charts towards the end of the Hydrasynth manual it specifies CCs for Bank Select.
And see the following:
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Yeah, I’m just having a hard time interpreting all the info that’s out there. So theoretically to get to prog F001 I’d have to send
CC 000 nnn (006 for bank F?) -(Bank Select MSB – Most Significant Byte)
CC 032 nnn (001 for program 1?) -(Bank Select LSB – Least Significant Byte)
Prog Change nnn (or is this where I select program 001?) -(MIDI Program Change message 0~127)
And in the Ableton clip settings, I have Bank, Sub, and Pgm fields. It’s not clear how these relate to the MSB/LSB thing.
Ok I’ve been fiddling with it a bit more, I swear I’d tried this but it’s working now. For the record, the “Sub” field in Ableton corresponds to the Hydra bank, so sub-bank 1 is A, 2 is B etc.
So I set it to --, 6, 1 to get to F001. I’m embarrassed it took me so long to figure it out, but MIDI is a PITA sometimes.
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Hi
I am trying to use the HS Deluxe ribbon as a mod source to control various things in local midi off mode using Abelton Live 11 and I cant seem to get the ribbon to actually do anything. It seems to still move pitch even if I set to Mod Only mode and only seems to work if I put the HS back into local on mode.
Any help would be much appreciated please.
Thanks
Steve
From my understanding is the ribbon doesnt send anything.
What you could try to do is assigning it to a MIDI CC in the mod matrix and see if it sends that value.
Thanks - it seems odd that it cannot control internal modulations and parameters as a mod source when using it in a midi set-up. E.g I cannot even do a simple filter cutoff modulation. Its such a nice tactile controller to use.
Thanks for the reply
Steve
Hello,
first of all a happy new year to everyone.
This is my first post on this platform so please be patient. My English is mainly translated by Google. I read everything relevant to Elektron machines + Hydrasynth + Programm Change on this forum, without finding this situation. Also I looked out for Videos and couldn’t find anything comparable and would appreciate any kind of help from Elektron + Hydrasynth users. Also I am absolutely new to sequence other gear from Elektron gear and i never used Programm Change.
What i´d like to do:
I like to sequence the Hydrasynth via MIDI from Syntakt.
The issue:
By playing two patterns on the Syntakt, the Hydrasynth does not play the sound continuously.
To get this right: Syntakt selects the patches on Hydrasynth which I set on the Syntakt. But, the Hydrasynth doesn’t plays the Audio along as long as Syntakt is playing. Sometimes Hydrasynth plays the audio of patch #1 + patch #2, then plays the audio of just one of this patches, then plays non audio of the selected patches. Also sometimes the Audio of the patches seem gated with a very short gate because Hydrasynth just plays the very beginning of the Audio and then turns silent, which doesn’t happen when I just play one pattern without changing patches on the Hydrasynth.
What I did:
SYNTAKT:
I set the Syntakt in master mode by enabling Clock send and Transport send and Prog Ch send.
I set the Prog Chg out Ch to 16.
Auto Channel to Ch 16.
Output Ch: Auto Ch
HYDRASYNTH:
Clk Sync: MIDI IN
MIDI RX: 16
Param RX: CC
PgmChgRX: ON
I am working on both Synths on the newest firmware.
I edited two patterns on the Syntakt with each 16 steps long.
The first step is selecting the patch on Hydrasynth and triggers the note. Step No 16 of the first pattern is a triggless trig which selects the next patch for the second pattern. I did the same for the second pattern just vice versa to get a loop when playing both pattern in a loop. The first triggers are set to 15 steps long, the triggless trigs are set to 1/16.
I think that I tried every possible combination on Syntakt and on Hydrasynth without luck. Also I tried to sequence from the Digitone.
What am I missing?
If someone had similar issues, I highly appreciate your advice.
Thank you for taking the time.
Have a great musical year and all the best.
Happy new year and welcome @quadk
These SYNC PAGE program changes parameters normaly concern external sequencers pattern sync, not synth patches.
For tests I’d disable SYNC page Program Change send. This is not necessary to send Prog Changes (PC) from midi tracks.
Just use midi tracks PC, and send some notes, no Control Changes (CCs).
Do you want to midi control external gear with HS ribbon, or internal parameters ?
Hello @sezare56 thank you for welcoming and replying.
I did what you listed and it works a little better the audio dropouts are less frequent.
But i still have moments where no sound is being played.
Anything else i can try?
Could you describe it in detail ?
No audio dropouts if you disable midi tracks PCs ?
What is your Hydrasynth version ?
I can give it a try with Syntakt and HS Explorer…
Disable clock send from ST.
Hi @sezare56,
i have the HS Desktop Version.
I had the impression that HS needs a bit more time to switch from one patch to the other.
So i set the trigless trigs for the next patch a step earlier (step 15 of previous pattern) and this works now absolutely fine, without any Audio dropouts.
Then I tried it with trigless trigs on step 16 of previous pattern again + disable clock send on ST … again with Audio dropouts.
It seems that the HS needs a bit more time to switch all the settings?! Don’t get me wrong: HS switches patches immediately when a command is set on the ST, but it seems not to fully switches all the ENVs, LFOs, etc.?!
Ok for now the solution would be to set a triggles trig two steps before a patch on HS should be switched. But what, if I´d like to switch HS patches from one trig to the other, if I ever would need that? Could this be a data / transfer issue? Or is it just like that HS needs this sort of time? How’s that about yours?
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First notes are truncated. 
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I disabled everything in SYNC page. I made 2 simple patterns (120 bpm) with a 1 bar and 4 notes chord on first step, and a PC on first step of each pattern. It is truncated after around 1 step. Notes after were ok.
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Then I delayed the chord by 1 step and added a trigless PC at the beginning. It seems ok if I delay at 1/128 microtiming.
So apparently PC has to be a bit more than 1 step before patch change, silence between…
I am not sure if it was that bad before V2 update…
(On the Blofeld, instant changes, I even did a drumkit mapping notes to PCs…)
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Ok, i tried it the way you did with microtiming and came to the same result.
Yeah this is tough, but even better than two full steps before.
So good this is solved … hopefully this helps other readers.
Thank you for your time and your support.
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Just trying to control internal parameters really - thanks
So you didn’t succed to modulate internal parameters using ribbon as source ?
Pretty sure the answer is negative but is there a way to send CCs playing the keyboard without sending midi notes ?
(Without external midi filter)
Hi all ,
Quick question regarding Hydrasynth init patch and it’s reaction with a current patch as I’m unsure. If I am using an existing patch and decide to, say ,start making a new patch from scratch and I select init does this then mean the patch I am currently on is changed to an init patch or does the system automatically select a blank patch? Hope that makes sense and thanks for the help!