How to change patterns via midi?

TapeTwelve · 2019-07-30T23:27:42.348Z

This has all been very helpful as ive just found the need for it.

Anyone know if you can use a foot switch to increment patterns?

All of the above seems to relate to selecting specific patterns (correct me if I’m wrong), which is great, but would be really handy to have one foot switch that triggers the next pattern, then the next bank after pattern 16 in each bank.

Am i asking for too much?

PeterHanes · 2019-07-30T23:46:19.606Z

TapeTwelve:

Anyone know if you can use a foot switch to increment patterns?

Here is an example:

Incrementing/decrementing pattern number using sysex Elektron Gear

OK,now I understand a little more what you want to do. As far as I can see, you don’t need MIDI SysEx messages at all. All the Elektron instruments allow you to select the next pattern by sending a MIDI Program Change message with a value that matches the pattern that you want to switch to (value 0 = pattern A01, value 1 = pattern A02 etc). I looked at the User’s Guide for the Soleman and saw that its Scene Mode steps through its own programs in sequential order and that you can use the Solema…

roadmoviemusic · 2019-07-31T10:53:02.176Z

TapeTwelve:

but would be really handy to have one foot switch that triggers the next pattern, then the next bank after pattern 16 in each bank.

It’s possible to write a Arduino sketch for the Retrokits RK-002 cable that does exactly that. But you must be a bit computer-savvy with some basic knowledge of coding in C (and some time to spare). Not an overly complicated project though. Nice for a long winter evening…

ghettofroufrou · 2020-02-28T16:00:03.294Z

Hello, for me program change works but it change after the end of the pattern (16 to 64 steps), do you thinks there is a way to change it directly ? Thank

FreddyUnreal · 2020-02-28T17:43:34.541Z

I believe you can change in pattern settings. Press FUNC + PATTERN. then adjust P CH LEN. I think…I’m not by mine to verify.

ghettofroufrou · 2020-02-28T19:59:15.940Z

Thank you, you mean func+bank ?
I tried with func+bank
Tried to change use pat set to 256/15
Tried to change plays free then trig quant to direct
Tried a lot of settings but no changes

ghettofroufrou · 2020-02-28T20:26:54.751Z

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maybe something to tweak in these menus.

FreddyUnreal · 2020-03-02T19:27:45.824Z

Hi. I’m pretty sure it’s the use pattern set. parameter. I’ll let you know when I’m at my OT later. I forgot to check when I got home the day I responded.

FreddyUnreal · 2020-03-04T05:21:06.747Z

Use pat set determines how many steps after a pattern change command that pattern will change.

ghettofroufrou · 2020-03-05T15:08:58.827Z

Thank you, I tried in chain behavior but it’s minimum 2/16 no direct I think it’s not possible, I don’t know why.

KaOsphere · 2020-03-05T16:11:49.346Z

ghettofroufrou:

2/16 no direct

That’s a common ̶f̶l̶a̶w̶ feature of the whole elektron line unfortunately. I won’t go back to the ̶o̶b̶s̶c̶u̶r̶e̶ technical reasons behind this ̶r̶i̶d̶i̶c̶u̶l̶o̶u̶s̶ ̶l̶i̶m̶i̶t̶a̶t̶i̶o̶n̶ safe behaviour, there are tons of threads discussing this ̶i̶s̶s̶u̶e̶ clever implementation of program changes.

If you want to bypass this, one solution is to use a midi processor :

Each time your master will send a pc the midi processor will delay the pc message, stop the sequencer, send pc message and relaunch sequencer. Works like a charm.
The other workaround could be to send pc 2 beats before you actually want it to change. It implies that you have a device which can do that.

This post contains some technical solutions despite obvious trolling in the first part please flag responsibly.

ghettofroufrou · 2020-03-11T21:08:01.723Z

Thank you, this is the best answer.

AndiPaulo · 2020-03-11T21:46:15.428Z

PeterHanes:

That CC message then needs to be immediately followed by the Program Change message.

Behringer FCB1010 sends PC first, then CC.

cldswm · 2023-01-04T05:41:14.005Z

Can the Octatrack also respond to PC that allow switching of different Parts?

sezare56 · 2023-01-04T09:11:44.130Z

cldswm:

switching of different Parts?

No midi messages to change parts, but you can change patterns having different assigned parts with Program Changes.

cldswm · 2023-01-04T09:58:26.111Z

COOL thanks!

LC · 2024-10-24T18:02:04.471Z

I am also interested in knowing this

sezare56 · 2024-10-24T18:42:58.705Z

AFAIK no midi messages for pattern change increments/decrements.

You have to send Program Changes to OT. Controllers like MIDI Mouse or Analog Drive can increment Program Changes.

Shredrr · 2024-10-24T21:09:22.888Z

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the UI elements are [live.arrows] and [live.menu] set as enum of "A01 A02 A03 A04 A05 A06 A07 A08 A09 A10 A11 A12 A13 A14 A15 A16 B01 B02 B03 B04 B05 B06 B07 B08 B09 B10 B11 B12 B13 B14 B15 B16 C01 C02 C03 C04 C05 C06 C07 C08 C09 C10 C11 C12 C13 C14 C15 C16 D01 D02 D03 D04 D05 D06 D07 D08 D09 D10 D11 D12 D13 D14 D15 D16 E01 E02 E03 E04 E05 E06 E07 E08 E09 E10 E11 E12 E13 E14 E15 E16 F01 F02 F03 F04 F05 F06 F07 F08 F09 F10 F11 F12 F13 F14 F15 F16 G01 G02 G03 G04 G05 G06 G07 G08 G09 G10 G11 G12 G13 G14 G15 G16 H01 H02 H03 H04 H05 H06 H07 H08 H09 H10 H11 H12 H13 H14 H15 H16"

happy walk in the park. Jumps 16 pattern (1bank) up/down or 1 pattern up/down

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should work with all Elektron machines, dont forget on OT you need to send on Autochannel to have effect.

ok had some fun, obviously… this the version that can reach Octatrack patterns behind H16, the trick is to send Bank Select 1 for patterns higher than 128 and of course 0 when lower short before ProgChange. Which has a downside i guess, not all Elektron machines have 256 patterns.

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LC · 2024-10-25T11:29:47.880Z

I will be using Analog Four and Behringer FCB 1010