thank you - I like it dark and yes the analog engine is not affected.
to be honest I use the analog engine very little, almost all samples and I like what it does to them
For the longest time I was exactly the opposite - I used synthesis exclusively on my Rytm. Mostly because of bad experiences trying to transfer patterns from one project to another (copying a pattern does not copy the sample assignments 
). Now I’m beck to using samples with a vengeance, and there’s a lot to love, even though pattern transfer is still painful…
pretty sure you mean roll-off not cramping, yes there’s some roll-off and it differs from the individual outs, main outs and overbridge, there’s more roll-off on main outs and it is indeed kind of the dark magic, pretty sure it’s because main outs running through the fx/overdrive/compressor and one of them or all of them combined is making the effect, either way, if you want it to be less pronounced then using the individual outs is better.
congrats @B_LD 
it’s one hell of a device 
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I’m not sure it has anything to do with the output bus or anything like that. The HF rolloff already occurs via OB2, so its internal. I’d wager its deliberately baked into the sampler side
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could be that some of the roll-off comes from the sampler but I doubt it, I think that some of the roll-off comes from the track signal path, probably the track distortion influences the sound even when disengaged digitally (i.e. at value 0), the noise machine produces same noise as the sample but still has roll-off.
anyway, there is a difference between the main outs and OB/individual outs, negligible, but it’s there, it resembles the “warm”, “vintage”, etc. modes on plugins like the Silver Bullet and such.
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Wasn’t there something about the filters used on the AR and A4 where Q = 0 is not the closest to a neutral sounding filter, instead resonance around 15-20 is “neutral”?
Curious to see if changing Q up to those points might help, might try it with your 4 second white noise sample when I have time.
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As long as we agree to that… 
Anyway. Really appreciate the level of detail shared here.
Meanwhile, I keep myself busy building patterns. 
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One thing I also noticed when using samples is that the filter is never fully open / neutral, even at 127. I found that it sometimes impacted the sample quite drastically, even before touching any settings. I always loved that about AR btw.
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this is also true, the default lowpass setting is not fully open at the highest setting and there’s difference between the 12/24db settings, switching to highpass and reversing the cutoff value to 0 will also impact the highend
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IIRC, my white noise tests were conducted with the filter set to HPF mode, in order to eliminate filter’s potential affect on the signal. Also, it can’t really be the signal path all on its own, since the analogue voices do not exhibit any such rolloff
which voices? any of the SY machines are way darker than the digital UT NOISE and I don’t think any other machine can go higher than the SY machines, maybe one of the CY/CH/HH/OH but I doubt they go higher than the UT NOISE as well…
I tried compare SY RAW with two saws and noise maxed out to the sample and to me it looks like the same rolloff (both are on different tracks)
What? that’s curious… Did you record this via OB2? or via the analogue outputs?
this one is from the analogue outputs, the OB ones could be slightly brighter but it’s really negligible, the previous screenshot I made was OB vs main outs and there is a slight difference in the 20k+ range, but the curve of the roll-off is pretty much the same for anything, that’s why I think it’s from the track signal path and not the sampler, if you compare the UT NOISE which is generated white noise machine to a white noise sample you will see pretty much the same curve…
I see. Funny I always thought the synthesis sounded “brighter” than the samples somehow, but that was just confirmation bias on my end it seems.
There’s something in the signalpath which rolls off highs, and is probably an intentional design choice… Just found it interesting Elektron never mentions anything about it in their manuals. Besides, I think you can use a peaking filter to compensate, just havent sussed out the most “linear” settings for this yet…
I don’t think there’s a need to mention this, it’s full analog signal path to some sort of roll-off is expected, for example on some of the elysia plugins there’s a “warm” button that pretty much does the same thing, rolls off a bit from the top, but that’s to emulate the analog unit, in the manual they reference to it as:
Warm: Engages a sound shaping option which emulates the effects of an analog slew rate limiter. Subtle, but nice.
and it looks like this:
which is pretty similar to what the rytm is demonstrating, so imo it’s just natural to analog machine to have this slight darker response. there are many analog simulation plugins that do pretty much the same, channel strips, preamp simulators, etc.
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