Hate Loops Hainbach

Hope I’m not duplicating another post, but thought-provoking, poignant and nicely measured piece from Hainbach.

[Strong language inside so caution if you prefer to avoid]

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I saw this this morning…And it made me really happy. A great way to deal with the toxic environment surrounding us digitally. I also LOL’d a lot. I really liked his videos before this as well. Great content!

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Nice way to bring the shit from those algorithms to art!

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I watched this last night. Hainbach might be my favorite YouTube channel. I find his work really inspiring. This video was no exception. He managed to find a nice balance between the serious and the silly. Involving other YouTube folks was a nice touch as well.

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Yeah this was soooo amazing, much respect for his honesty and constant creativity<3 Kinda wish he didn’t include the name above each negative comment, to really close the hate loop. :slight_smile:

So lame I want to die.

Just kidding :wink: Good work and sad that even synth youtube channels are flooded by this hatred crap. Internet brought a lot of good things but also opened a damn ugly can of worms. I’m really puzzled by the question of how to address this while maintaining freedom of speech and not censoring the hell out of the internet,

(Btw, I get the feeling he didn’t think it would take that long to destroy the tapes.)

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I love the concept!

Beyond this being a neat way to symbolically deal with those sorts of vitriolic comments, the resulting music was captivating and emotional. This was a real work of art.

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You need thick skin in this digital landscape we now traverse. All the people that made rude / hateful comments are just miserable in their own lives I assume. Glad Hainbach did this, basically destroy the little power those commenters thought they had.

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Yeah, I thought it would be done in half the time. Finished at 2:30 AM.

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The video also reminded me of a Radiolab podcast featuring William Basinsky talking about deteriorating tape loops:

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Radiolab is great - thanks for sharing. Gonna queue it up right now. :+1:t3:

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Cool stuff, also reminiscent of this project

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I like Hainbach and I kind of get the point of this but also I don’t think these dumb haters should be given any attention or energy whatsoever, back when my youtube channel was more active I used to get some haters, for a while I quite liked to bait them but it got boring fast, so then I chose simply to laugh and move on. Ironically a few of the haters were themselves synth youtubers, which is particularly funny to me.

Certainly don’t let the words of such idiots carry any weight, it says enough about the kind of person they are that they have the delusion to think that what they say matters, narcissistic, jealous, bitter and probably talentless, best ignored because that will hurt them more than any kind of retort, artistic or otherwise.

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Welcome to this much less hate-ful corner of the internet, @Hainbach . I think you’ll find it refreshingly constructive and warm here. Thank you so very much for your videos. As others have said, they are inspiring.

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Banksy idea Hainbach?

Simple, ignore them, soon enough they go away. No need for censorship.

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I think this applies when we’re talking about a limited pool of people, but if a channel starts to get popular, YouTube (etc) holds an ‘infinite’ number of new morons waiting to replace those who get bored and move on.

As someone who’s done some community moderation over the years, I think a part of the damage of social networking sites is how little moderation is available to the user - the companies don’t want to employ moderation staff, so the onus falls on the channel owner to moderate the abuse directed at them (if the option for moderation even exists - can you delete comments dropped on your vids or do you just have to report them?)

Some people are fortunate enough to be able to shrug this kind of stuff off, but there’s enough research into the effects of bullying and psychological abuse, as well as enough first hand account of the victims of online abuse, for me to believe that ‘let them say what they want, and shrug it off’ just doesn’t work for a lot of people, and can be actively harmful if it’s normalised as a response that we (and the companies profiting from allowing this abuse) offer to victims.

I know this flies close to ‘censorship’ but most of the online communities I’ve ever valued (and seen others value) have reasonable moderation policies that disallow certain activities and expressions.

Rather than ignoring and pretending ‘I don’t care’, I wonder if there might be more value in doing this kind of piece where people show openly ‘this hurts - this is not okay’. A lot of trolls do it ‘for the lulz’ and may not recognise that their actions have personal impacts. This kind of video shows it’s not just a game.

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It’s good to reinforce the decency standards we agree with.

To be honest i’ve usually just looked at trolling comments as meaningless and worthless.

However I thought the way Hainbach put this piece together and particularly the composition at the end, its minimalist poignant style, highlighted that the meaningless worthless venom of trolls can have a negative impact on contributors of thought and art, who invest a lot of time and personal sensitivity into their output, into the public domain - and it is a problem.

seriously why enable comments at all? I dont think I’ve ever read a meaningful comment on youtube. If someone really wants to say something, they’ll find a way to reach you anyway, making it too easy just encourages lazy, mindless “engagement”.

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