Anyone getting any good flam settings on the AR? I really like the flam on my 707 but can’t seem to get anything I like on the AR. I’ve tried messing around with the microtiming and Vel settings but I’m just not feeling it. What was Roland’s secret sauce?!?
-b
Try messing with the retrig settings (from the arrow Retrig+, not the retrig menu), using a RATE of 1/64, a LEN of .313 and a VEL of -14, I can get somewhat near to a 909 style flam, although it still sounds a bit stiff.
The key is matching the RATE and LEN parameters to get the double hit, which can be of different speeds, rather than a roll effect.
Yeah, I’ve tried to do it a couple of different ways with little success.
“Stiff” is the perfect way to describe it.
Reviving this thread out of interest. I’m not having much luck getting a 909/707ish sounding flam either - anyone have success here yet?
I’ve tried it both ways:
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[li]Two trigs next to each other, adjust the micro-timimg for the second one so that it triggers earlier[/li]
[li]Enabling retrig and adjusting the settings[/li]
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It sounds fine to me, I guess some people are just perfectionists.
That’s how i do it. Employ velocity and maybe plock dec too specially on that initial hit.
I’m fine with it. In not familiar with x0x flams.
Yeah, I gave up. I just sequence externally now anyway unless I’m going nuts with the automation which I can do a lot of via the Cirklon.
I get a much better Flam with the Cirklon too.
If you’re not familiar with the XOX flams, there’s no way to explain it. You’d just have to hear it. It has a feel to it that the RYTM just can’t seem to do.
Mind to share some enlightening examples ?
Does the Cirklon have higher MIDi resolution than Elektrons? Sometimes i can’t place a trig right even microtimed…
Yes. Examples please!
Totally, I can’t explain it either. My guess is that the timing between hits on Roland’s flam is not the same, as if it has a curve to the timing whereas the Elektron’s hits are always even increments.
AFAIK Flam on 707 actually hits /before/ the step, so use some microtiming to nudge the trig back a little to taste.
edit: also the first hit is quieter, with the 2nd, louder hit being on grid
Totally, I can’t explain it either. My guess is that the timing between hits on Roland’s flam is not the same, as if it has a curve to the timing whereas the Elektron’s hits are always even increments.[/quote]
I don’t see what you guys are talking about. Mind sharing examples, gentlemen ?
Please ?
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[quote=“panelist”][quote=“newgreyarea”]If you’re not familiar with the XOX flams, there’s no way to explain it. You’d just have to hear it. It has a feel to it that the RYTM just can’t seem to do.
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Totally, I can’t explain it either. My guess is that the timing between hits on Roland’s flam is not the same, as if it has a curve to the timing whereas the Elektron’s hits are always even increments.[/quote]
I don’t see what you guys are talking about. Mind sharing examples, gentlemen ?
Please ?
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seems like maybe it is just a matter of nudging up the hit with micro timing. it’s almost as if the hits are straddling either side of the step
Today while jamming I managed to get the best drumroll I ever did.
I was using a sample tha was badly sliced, basically a snare following some silence.
When I retrigged the sample, the snare was cut in two until the last hit (that was the only one to get to the end of the sample).
And the roll was really nice.
So I wonder if the secret wouldn’t be as simple as this : just ensure the first retrigs are shorter than the final hit.
Thank you for the video about the flam. Is this term used only for a double hit ?