Elektron Freshman; What to get?

Good evening, everyone. I have created an account here to ask you fine experts about which Elektron products would best fit my needs for the long haul. A bit of a background; I am a musician and a dj and I am looking for a device that will be compatible with my devices and workflow. The Elektron product line looks extremely promising, with the possibilities seeming endless across the board. However, there are so many devices and, unfortunately, I have not been able to try any of them to make a decision.

My setup is as follows: Roland DJ-808, which has four channel inputs, MIDI Out, and is connected to my Korg Minilogue. I am looking for a device that will connect to these devices through MIDI, as well as connect to my DAW (Ableton) and use it as a control interface. In addition to this, it would be excellent to be able to form tracks from these devices and then cue in other tracks/songs using the Roland mixer. The type of music I normally work on is a wide mix ranging from techno to experimental ambient music to alternative rock or metal.

As of right now, I am leaning towards the Digitakt, and maybe even getting the Digitone as well. They seem to be the best entry level Elektron devices. However, I do also enjoy how the Analog Four and Rytm look and sound, but these are more expensive. Then there is the Octatrack, which I still don’t fully understand.

In summary, which device or devices would best fit these current needs and stand the test of time? If you’ve made it this far, thank you, and if you have any insight/opinion, I would appreciate a response. Thank you again, and have a wonderful evening.

-N

I’d get the Sidstation. its proper unique and you would stand out fromthecrowd.

We used to have one and we would record it into Ableton then pitch it down and do all the fine things to it… after about 4 hours work it sounded like how snake skin feels. lush but scary y’know.

really beautiful.

well tempted to get another but I spent a load of dough on a crossbow recently and I’ve not been home since.

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I would get the Model:Samples.

would you recommend a crossbow over a monomachine?

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never!

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Just pick one machine and focus on mastering it. A good amount of people get through the basics of a machine, but the tough part is finishing songs with it. Finishing a track is the toughest because you need to listen to it and be critical of yourself while at the same time receiving criticism from your audience. If you can get to that point you most likely might not need another elektron. I’m serious

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when you already have a minilogue, there is no really need for an a4 right now.
your roland covers much of the mixing functions of an octatrac, the ot is also the hardest one to master from elektron. so i wouldnt start with these.

i think you will profit most from a hands on drum machine. the new model: sample will cover that. it can also sequence your minilogue, the rytm wont do that. if youre already into roland, a tr8s might also be a consideration.

an alternative might be a push 2 controller for live. this is especially usefull if you have the live suite 10.1

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The Model:Samps might be good live because the knob-per-function, but you might get more mileage out of the Digitakt especially if you want to use it to get some transitions going or even whole ā€˜live’ tracks.

The Octatrack is of course even more capable, but it probably starts to duplicate the functions of your deck like others have said.

The other one to consider might be a MachineDrum. A bit old school now, but kicks arse on the live beats front!

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They’re pretty much the same thing

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I’m not so sure if any of the Elektron devices would make a good DAW controller, maybe the Model:Samples because of its amount of knobs…or you have to map different pages.

The only machine i can think of that can form whole tracks on its own is the Octatrack.

In my opinion you should read some manuals and watch some videos first to get a better understanding of the machines.

I’m not sure what you looking for, the things described can be done with your current setup.

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Agreed! @N0T_ZER0 what exactly do you want to achieve with the Elektron box? drums/rhythm, melody/harmony, sample playback/mangling, all of the above?

For drums/rhtym the Elektron RYTM and Digitakt (which really is a smaller version of the RYTM Mk2 but without the analog sound sources + a few less features) are great. The Model:Samples goes in this category as well, though I’d choose a Digitakt over the M:S any day. The RYTM can do analog drums as well whereas the DT and M:S are sample based and are good for playback and sequencing of one-shot samples. The RYTM and DT can both sample directly also (DT only in mono), whereas the M:S cannot.

For melody/harmony, the Analog 4 and Digitone are your primary choices. The Analog 4 is four subtractive mono synths in one (or one 4-voice polysynth). Some say the Analog 4 also makes better drum sounds than the RYTM, not sure how true that is but it does allow for percussive sound design at good/high quality. The Digitone is a FM synthesizer with eight voices (so polyphonic) and four tracks to sequence from. Both sound great and are a ton of fun, so here the question is more around which flavour of sound you prefer (analog subtractive synthesis vs FM synthesis).

For sample playback/mangling you can go with the Model:Samples, RYTM, Digitakt, or the big one for all things sample related, the Octatrack. The Model:Samples is new and the cheapest device. It has ā€œone knob per functionā€ going for itself, in other words all functions have a dedicated knob on the user interface. All other Elektron machines have multiple functions laid out on the physical controls which are accessed by accessing pages (usually one button press away) and/ Shift + a button. The RYTM would be too overkill if you’re just after sample playback/mangling, you’d pay for an analog drum synthesizer that you wouldn’t be using then. The Digitakt is awesome for sample playback, especially one-shot samples. It gives nice control over the sound design (tune/pitch, bit reduction, overdrive, LP filter or HP filter (switchable), delay, reverb, one LFO, sample start/length, forward/reverse playback etc). It also can sequence midi devices through eight integrated midi tracks, four-note polyphony per track (I believe the RYTM can do that also). On the Digitakt you can also use the two rows of trigs (1-16) as a chromatic keyboard, which is really nice for quick melodic input. Which means you can also load a waveform as sample onto one of its eight tracks (eg a sine wave), loop playback that and then use that track as a mono synth voice (and do some minor subtractive synthesis with the filter + LFO). So much to the Digitakt.
It’s worth noting that neither th M:S, DT nor RYTM can timestretch a sample (ie change its bpm without also affecting pitch).
Now, if you know you want to do samples primarily and if you know you want to sample and playback longer phrases and loops, and if you want to manipulate and mangle all these samples into oblivion, including timestretching them…then the Octatrack is the most awesome hardware box on the market (check out a few youtube videos on its crossfader and ā€œscenesā€ :)). It’s more than that also: it’s also a looper, it’s an fx box, it’s a mixer, it can seuqeunce midi gear (eight tracks also). Basically between those functions, it can be what you need it to be…which is what overwhelms people with it often.

I personally own an Analog 4, Digitakt and Octatrack - and I LOVE all three of them.

Hope this help.

Pozdrav :stuck_out_tongue:
h

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Wow, thank you everyone for your insights and opinions. They are very much appreciated. Want I am in need of right now is certainly a device that can perform drum/rhythm duties. For melody/harmony, my Minilogue, guitars, and piano are all I need. Samples are not my primary focus, however, the rytm or digitakt should be more than enough for sample experimentation.

The Rytm looks very appealing because the workflow looks exceptional and I’m enjoying the analog drum sounds out of this device more than any other drum machine so far. My reservation with it is that I’m continuously reading that the rytm cannot midi sequence external gear. But, the Roland 808 has a built in TR-S sequencer with MIDI Out, and the Minilogue has a sequencer with Midi In & Out. (As it is right now, if I press start/stop on the TR-S, the Minilogue will start as well.) With this setup, can I sync all of my gear together? I dont need to control everything from the Rytm, I just want everything to be synced up in tempo.

The Digitakt looks appealing for its size and portability. Also the 8 Midi tracks onboard are perfect for external gear and adds a lot of mileage to the device. (Plus the price is half of the RYTM). But, the digitakt seems to be more focused on the sampling than the Rytm and doesn’t carry the same quality of drum sounds right out of the box.

Again, thank you for your responses. When I do get my device I’ll be sure to share the music and experience.

-N

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Oh Hvala! Thank you for this amazing breakdown!

-N

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