Edit new pattern, issues with previous pattern

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Hi!:
I have problems with edit one new pattern and modify a second one (previous) in a sort of linked way. I’ll describe it to make myself clear:

1 - Work in pattern A1 until I have a nice pattern finished.

2 - In order to start a new idea with different samples than the ones in A1, I select the unused pattern A2 … as it is new Octatrack decides to copy the setup of pattern A1 in the new pattern A2 (machines - sample slots - and so …).

3 - As I want to make a different idea than the one in pattern A1 … I start to edit pattern A2 changing machines and assign diferent slots than the ones used in A1.

Here’s the issue / problem.

4 - After I’ve made changes in A2 … if I go back to pattern A1 I can see that all changes made in A2 are reflected in A1. And I don’t want it in this way. I want to preserve what I did in A1 and make a different pattern in A2 without change anything in A1.

It seems that settings in A1 are linked to settings in A2.
¿What can I do avoid this behavior?

May be a newbie question … but I’ve read the manual and didn’t find anything about this issue.

Any ideas? I dont believe this is a natural behavior in Octatrack … since preset project has different and independent patterns in A1 - A2 - A3 and so … What Am I missing?

Thanks in advance, guys! :slight_smile:
Hi!:
I have problems with edit one pattern and modify a second one in a sort of automatic way (without intention). I’ll describe it:

1 - Work in pattern A1 until I have a nice pattern finished.

2 - In order to start a new idea, I select the pattern A2 … as it is new (not edited yet), Octatrack copy the setup of pattern A1 in the new pattern A2 (machines - sample slots - and so …).
3 - As I want to make a different idea than the one in pattern A1 … I start to edit pattern A2 changing machines and assign diferent slots than the ones used in A1.

Here’s the issue / problem.
4 - After I’ve made changes in A2 … if I go back to pattern A1 I can see that all changes made in A2 are reflected in A1. And I don’t want it in this way. I want to preserve what I did in A1 and make a different pattern in A2 without change anything in A1.

¿How can I avoid this behavior??? ¿Whats wrong in what I’m doing?
Hi!:
I have problems with edit one pattern and modify a second one in a sort of automatic way (without intention). I’ll describe it:

1 - Work in pattern A1 until I have a nice pattern finished.

2 - In order to start a new idea, I select the pattern A2 … as it is new (not edited yet), Octatrack copy the setup of pattern A1 in the new pattern A2 (machines - sample slots - and so …).
3 - As I want to make a different idea than the one in pattern A1 … I start to edit pattern A2 changing machines and assign diferent slots than the ones used in A1.

Here’s the issue / problem.
4 - After I’ve made changes in A2 … if I go back to pattern A1 I can see that all changes made in A2 are reflected in A1. And I don’t want it in this way. I want to preserve what I did in A1 and make a different pattern in A2 without change anything in A1.

¿How can I avoid this behavior??? ¿Whats wrong in what I’m doing???
Hi!:
I have problems with edit one pattern and modify a second one in a sort of automatic way (without intention). I’ll describe it:

1 - Work in pattern A1 until I have a nice pattern finished.

2 - In order to start a new idea, I select the pattern A2 … as it is new (not edited yet), Octatrack copy the setup of pattern A1 in the new pattern A2 (machines - sample slots - and so …).
3 - As I want to make a different idea than the one in pattern A1 … I start to edit pattern A2 changing machines and assign diferent slots than the ones used in A1.

Here’s the issue / problem.
4 - After I’ve made changes in A2 … if I go back to pattern A1 I can see that all changes made in A2 are reflected in A1. And I don’t want it in this way. I want to preserve what I did in A1 and make a different pattern in A2 without change anything in A1.

¿How can I avoid this behavior??? ¿Whats wrong in what I’m doing???

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I miss it …

I was not changing samples in machine’s slots. It could be a newbie mistake that reflects changes in every pattern using the same slot.
What I was changing in pattern A2 were the slots containing different samples each one.

So … It is not the reason of this issue.

Any ideas?

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Ok … I have the answer.

The thing is to use diferent parts linked to different patterns.
For example, pattern A1 linked to PART1 and pattern A2 linked to PART2. Should save parts to work and make independent each track from the other.

Wich is the point of the four parts?
Wich is the logical use for them?

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There is a disconnect between the Sequencer and the Parts.

So Pattern A01 Track 01 is all about the sequeuncer, likewise Pattern A02 Track 02

But they are both using Part 01… the Part contains the information regarding tracks, sample slots etc.

So when you crate your first pattern (A01) and use Track 01 (Static) and that uses sample Slot 01, all that is in the part.

The Trig data / sequence data isin the pattern.

When you create your second pattern (A02) and use Track 01 (Static) and that uses sample Slot 01, all that is still in the part, and is the same as before.

Modifying Part stuff (Machine / sample slots etc) whether in Pattern A01 or Pattern A02 doesn’t matter as you are modifying the Part data, not the pattern/sequencer data.

tl;dr: Read up on Parts

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Holy triple post Batman! :wink:

Basically, the thing you need to look into is Parts. Parts are like Kits, storing all of your settings for the sounds. If you want to significantly change those sounds, you need to do this within a new Part.

Alternatively, you may choose to p-lock your changes for the things you wish to change on a new Pattern. It depends on your workflow and your ultimate goal.

You have 4 Parts per Bank and 16 Patterns per Bank. One way to think about approaching this is to use one Part for every 4 Patterns, and using P-Locks to change things across patterns until you come to the next Part, at which point you can have an entirely new set of sounds, effects, etc. Of course, if you want to have different samples per pattern, you also have the option of using Sample Locks per step.

That’s a really basic explanation of things…read Merlin’s Guide and dig into the manual and it will eventually make sense.

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This x2

Merlins Octatrack Guide

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Well … I was reading the users manual (tha’s why I’ve found the answer). But didn’t get the point of using parts.

Now with your explanations I get it. Thanks guys! :slight_smile:

Elektron describes what is a part but not really his real purpose … manual says “is to have variations on patterns” … OK … but didn’t realize that the real thing is that Parts are really like the KITS of Analog Four / Rytm. That concepts clears me everything. :slight_smile:

I would prefer an structure of kits like Analog Four rather than the Parts of Octatrack. Or … more parts available. Even more if each part has his own 16 scenes.

Thanks for your help, guys.

I’ll read Merlin’s guide!
Thanks for the link.

Well … now it’s time to make some noise!
Bye! And infinite thanks!

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…we all start with the same confusion…

…and we all think, 4 parts per bank can never ever be enough…

…and we all got over it, once we knew what we do…

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As a lurking prospective future user, how exactly did you get around that limitation? Is it just a “suck it up and recognize the power of only 4” or is there some trick to get more?

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As a lurking prospective future user, how exactly did you get around that limitation? Is it just a “suck it up and recognize the power of only 4” or is there some trick to get more?[/quote]
With the time using the Octatrack, you’ll get the answer … as it was for me.

The thing is that even with 4 parts, you have the P.Locks … so you can use in each trigger of the patterns different settings to each parameter of the track. Even you can change the sample used in each trigger of the track.

You’ll see that “parts” are only to get a logical order to the basic settings of each parameter’s track. In other words, you need to organize all your stuff in order to recognice basic settings to start to work. Vol, pan, pitch, effect, lfos, bla bla bla. But … you aren’t limited to these settings since you can change them in each trigger.

That’s all. There’s no mistery.

By the way … Nice read the “MERLIN’S GUIDE” … 100% recomended to new users. :wink:

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…it’s 100% a must…