Drumlogue or Razzmatazz?

Gaia.Tree · 2022-10-17T15:01:02.783Z

Ooh, the cab distortion sounds crucial, I’m wondering if this device can be my “sample a loop from the BlackBox, dirty it up and send it back” type thing. My wallet is hiding in fear lol

jottwehh · 2022-10-17T15:19:54.446Z

jaijaison:

can a sample be played chromatically or the pitch be automated?

I don’t know yet, I can look into that. What does the manual say?

Gaia.Tree:

dirty it up

It definitely can do that. Send me a loop and I can try to give you a little example.

Noisebuddy · 2022-10-17T15:59:24.749Z

SoundReverend:

That’s the point, buying something that might turn into something good can be very disappointing… rather buy something for what it can do now

The Drumlogue is obviously limited but i guess it’s exactly that what makes it interesting and it will sound somewhat different… anyway… is there somewhere a manual for downloading?

jaijaison · 2022-10-17T16:41:37.008Z

I haven’t looked at the manual yet, will check it out

natrixgli · 2022-10-17T16:46:28.344Z

jaijaison:

On the razzmatazz, can a sample be played chromatically or the pitch be automated?

You can automate pitch of the operators via MIDI CC currently. The entire device listens on all MIDI channels at once, or optionally one static MIDI channel and each “pad” (drum voice) listens for a specific note. I do not think the inbuilt sequencer currently supports any automation.

I submitted a feature request to add a MIDI multi mode that would split each voice up on its own MIDI channel to open up the possibility of playing the voices chromatically.

jaijaison · 2022-10-17T17:00:32.601Z

Thanks! I was already thinking about using the slicer, with a loop of hits in a perfect scale.

Lieder · 2022-10-17T18:38:08.303Z

I think this may all work out in a good way. I’m suddenly entranced with the Twisted Electron MegaFM. Hopefully the mk2 will be out very soon and that is where I will sink my money into.
Probably best to let the Drumlogue air out a bit

BassesAndPads · 2022-10-17T18:53:08.245Z

Just got my razzmatazz and this thing is super deep. More to come but I’m impressed so far.

natrixgli · 2022-10-17T20:24:10.939Z

BassesAndPads:

this thing is super deep

That is what I was expecting based on the handful of demos. Mine arrives tomorrow!

jottwehh · 2022-10-18T08:11:21.118Z

I ran DT & DN thru the Cabinet Distortion.
Its my first time recording a Video, so be gentle. Its clipping often, but maybe its helpfull anyway:

Omar · 2022-10-18T08:19:22.416Z

Just watched that: I’m impressed
(The patterns you feed into the razz are really good, by the way)
It comforts me into thinking that this nanobox has a character on its own, which is something I value in new gear nowadays.

I mean, probably the Drumlogue has the potential to become something really good in the future, with its own specific sound, but, as someone stated here, it’s better not to put too much expectations into hypothetical features that might never happen.

jottwehh · 2022-10-18T08:22:40.250Z

Omar:

(The patterns you feed into the razz are really good, by the way)

these are just the stock patterns (but yeah, they are pretty good!)

reeloy · 2022-10-18T08:39:39.162Z

drumlogue is a serious instrument, razzmatazz is another nice to have sonic gimmick…

besides, this question is silly in timing and nature…

and an a4 mk1 2nd hand is around 600 bux and the most versatile truu analog, timeless drummachine i ever had in use…

Omar · 2022-10-18T08:47:00.311Z

Yeah, OK, the timing of the question is just related to the somewhat concurrent release of these machines. There are probably countless other comparison/debate threads about all sorts of drum machines here. I was just asking about these ones in terms of what innovations each bring to the game.

(I have already considered, reconsidered and over-considered what was already on the market, believe me )

reeloy · 2022-10-18T09:09:55.678Z

…oh, no worries and no offense…it’s just silly timing, since there are simply, as already mentioned by @apeirophobe , not really any truu users of these out there to find for now, which could give u any serious response…and silly by nature, because these two are not really comparable for the reasons i mentioned, since all they really got in common is the fact that U driven by the idea u need a new tool for groove, are nothing but teased by both of them, so fresh to the market…the latest to catch…

and i can picture u clearly, in all ur considering jungle struggle…
that’s all gas and mindhopping in theory…a classic.
drop it…

no matter how fancy that 1010 pretty in pink device might make u feel…

if u really want/need something, that let’s u create ur very own and unique grooves, the really and already bullet proofed best is already out there since ages…the a4…
but u got a gas crush, so u won’t consider this anyways and don’t wanna hear it…i know…

Omar · 2022-10-18T10:14:15.247Z

Ha ha, yeah, you might be right

My ‘issues’ with the A4 is that it’s quite big (and I like portable setups) and has this 4 track limitation - that you can overcome with multimaps, but…

And also - and this is not the right place to tell, I know - but I’ve grown a little tired of the Elektron sound. This is why the Syntakt didn’t appeal to me at all. I have spent quite some time with the AR and now I cringe when I hear that cowbell sound…

Arguably the A4 is not so sonically marked - and I still love the MD/MnM - but I’m after some new sound (hence this topic about these recent machines)

PS: If I was to get back to Elektron, I would clearly go for a Digitone.

Teknobryan · 2022-10-18T14:22:15.230Z

If I input a mono input, does a stereo signal come out the line out?

jottwehh · 2022-10-18T14:26:20.716Z

In the settings menu there is a mono/stereo input setting.
If you set it to mono you will get a stereo signal.

BassesAndPads · 2022-10-18T17:44:05.328Z

You are wrong on the Razz being a gimmick. It will most likely be the deeper machine compared to the Korg. I am very impressed with mine, but hey I actually have one in my hand.

I had an A4 - nice machine as well, not nearly as fast to make drums on though.

Omar · 2022-10-18T18:47:47.335Z

I don’t have one (yet) but that’s my assumption as well, judging from the specs, manual and demos.
This combination of two FM oscillators, a wave file, two envelopes, two filters, one LFO - all per pad - in addition with FX at all stages, is something I haven’t seen in many machines. I guess you can go pretty deep into sound design.
The only thing that might lack bells and whistles is the sequencer - which is where the Drumlogue shines, from what I have seen.
The Razzmatazz sequencer seems pretty functional, though. This super stepper looks fun.