Drum sound design with the MnM?

@ BoomTish - if you have a MNM with DigiPro, you could upload a sine wave and a DC offset wave. The latter is a square wave that “never comes down”. Then what you could do is use the DoubleDraw to start with DC offset and then very very quickly do a one-shot LFO on mix to fade over to sine. This will give you a more consistent click.

More fun with Elektrons and DC offset waves here (Octatrack though):

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Wow, yes! Great idea. And it gives a reliable starting attack to any bass too. OMG OMG the MnM is like Lego, you have to put it together to get results.
Thanks Veet,
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^ Bad news, I tried this last night and it did not work … A little bit of DigiPro pulse wave/square wave did get it to work. You need some “up” and some “down” in order to get a sound. I tried Amp Modulation on the DC offset in the Mono and it didn’t work either, which is funny because it does work on the Octatrack and is the basis of the video. Maybe the Mono is converting the files… Anyway, wanted to spare you the trouble.

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Elektron should put this quote on their website. :joy:

Shame it doesn’t work, I was going to try it out this weekend. Thanks Veets. But a pulse or square should have a constant attack, just changing in time very slightly.

Elektron is like Lego!
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Have you tried LFO to Distortion on GND-Sin? I just came across one of my old kits and this is a pretty consistent way to get a clicky attack.

Try setting LFO 2 to DIST with Exp wave, one time, Mult 2x, Depth 7. Don’t overdo it on Depth unless you want something gabber. You can go to 9 on Depth for something a bit harder but anything more than that sounds gabber. Use LFO 1 to sweep the pitch to taste. Gives you a bit of that 909 flavor on the Mono.

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Thanks a lot for all your answers.
I’m always amazed how Elektron machines can be used very differently by different people. :slight_smile:

From seeing your discussions and talking of this with E-U. Bonniwell (wo owns both machines), I came to the conclusion that the MD may be more suited for my needs. My priority being drum sounds.

I already own an Analog Four and I just ordered a mixer which will ease the process of using external effects on it + my OT. It may help satisfy my thirst for digital sounding bass and synth to process the A4 in my WMD Geiger Counter. (Don’t get my wrong: I love the A4 as it sounds… but making it go in a more dirty/glitchy territory would be nice too)

I also took some time to select my drum sounds more accurately and I’m a little less frustrated on this front… well enough so I have the time to save for a MD.

I’ve always loved the MnM for kicks using the FM machines.

And in general, I have found that any FM machine + p - locking is where the MnM shines and shows its true self. That’s just my taste, though :slight_smile:

Regarding your question about can the MD do basslines, i’ll just answer this : can it ever !

Hear, hear!

I find the MnM extremely suitable for techno percussions.

It is possible to get some really precious sounds out of the MnM, but as metioned above, the MnM requires more programming and less live control of the percussions. From 1:00 in the video it is all MnM drums, but you need to experiment with the arps and transpose your beats. Personally, I do not feel any deficiency that would make me buy the MD.

If you want manic glitchy abstract IDM style percussion then the MnM is it.

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I have to say, some of my favorite bass lines have been from the machinedrum, and some of my favorite drum sounds have been from the monomachine. The only synthetic drum sound that I’ve had trouble with on the mono is good solid kicks (alleviated by sampling the sound for consistent attack.). Snares, hats, toms, and other odd percussion are a breeze on the mono, and even better when you use the b-box sounds as a layer to enhance the synthesized sounds. The mono is more than capable of good drums.

Just want to throw this idea out into the fray – the Vermona DRM1 mk3 is a vastly underrated and relatively cheap 8-mono all analog drum synth which plays very well with Elektron gear, well, all Elektron gear except the MIDI-sequencer-less Analog Four goddammit :frowning:

I sequence the Vermona from the MnM, use the Vermona level knobs as individual mutes / mixer, and send the stereo signal back through to the MnM for blanket mute / effects / gating.

The bottom of the range model DRM1 is like 450 EUR or something daft if you shop around.

I think MD and MnM cover a lot of common ground when it comes to synthetic percussion, particularly of the FM kind. However the MD delivers more punch and snap than the MnM imo.

Here’s an all-MnM snippet with some FM perc sounds:

The MD can definitely deliver solid bass. Try TRX-B2, EFM-BD, E12-BD.

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New MnM owner here and a fan of percussion synthesis in general. I’m getting nice deep, bassy kicks out of the GRN Sine machine with a one-shot pitch LFO. Another LFO to quickly open the filter with a high resonance for click.

I’ve heard clickier, and I don’t have the MD, but I’m quite happy with what I’m hearing.

Snares I’m finding more difficult., as the number of synthesis parameters is less than I’m used-to. Usually I would use three separately-controlled oscillators , but this isn’t possible on the MnM.

So far my efforts have been focused on using the SID machine and modulating the waveform from Triangle to noise using a exp one-shot LFO. As of now, I’m tending to stick with samples for my snares, but any MnM synthesis suggestions would be welcome. :slight_smile:

As regards other types of percussion, I’m finding that MnM a joy to create quality electro percussion sequences - digital zaps, burps, fart, etc. which is exactly why I bought it.

Though the arpeggiator has been a wonderful surprise. :stuck_out_tongue:

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mm drums punch above their weight

classic monomachine drums I think

http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=oni%20ayhun&source=web&cd=17&ved=0CI8BELcCMBA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DY20xhvbDZBc&ei=EsLQUva9KoqskgW17ICQDw&usg=AFQjCNHcNnyqRamdtTpV2vZPLf92GwJH5g&sig2=htvLafZ6AZXD7oP5mRmD9g&bvm=bv.59026428,d.dGI

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Interesting… where can one find this?[/quote]
You’re probably also going to get a better idea of what Lem can do with a Monomachine Only ( with OT as an FX processor / mixer no samples etc) if you watch this.

I wanted to add or ask what sort of percussion you where looking for.
For wonky, skewed, FM and noise based percussion the Monomachine is quite good indeed. It also excels at using synthetic sounds in more percussive ways for odd melodic grooves (if that makes any sense) and isn’t too shabby 8BIT styled percussion also.
It isn’t going to sound like an MD as much as the A4 won’t either but I find bot units cover a fair amount of ground in the electronic percussion arena. I find the A4 very good a clicky / static like percussive clips, ripples, and fizzy things.
How’s that for a rather sad description ?
I tend to be a tad biased as I adore the Monomachine sound - it always brings something unexpected to anything I create which is why i love it so much but I digress.

I just wrote a piece using one monomachine for drums, one for synth parts. I was fairly happy with the results (as basic as they are). You can hear what I created here (almost all drum parts are using FM+):

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Excellent work! I like the percussion in this track a lot. I was on the fence in deciding between and A4 and a Mono machine a couple of weeks ago and this is one of the videos that pushed me over to the Mono Machine side.