Hi people.
I noticed something connecting my peak to my master sequencer Digitone II. When I try to MIDI Learn certain midi cc. It totally messes it up. Any idea why this is?The midi I get back is totally wrong. Which can be annoying with midi cc pairs. For example the FILTER:
29:F<FREQ
61:F>FREQ
Similar thing with the filter.lfo
When I use 29: I get modulation on the frequency But I doubt it’s the whole rane. 0-127? Or just half of it?
Not sure how to use a midi cc parameters on the digitone2 with it. I tried learning Filter for e
Any idea/suggestions? Thanks
Probably because the Peak uses NRPN messages to extend the number of reachable parameters, or to facilitate higher parameter resolution. The normal pot of ‘available’ CCs (normal 7bit range) is finite …
If teh Perak is transmitting NRPN strings for some parameters it is basically sending a set structure of four discrete CC messages … the DN cannot learn from NRPN messaging, in such scenarios it will simply listen for the first CC of the bunch CC99
an NRPN is formed with a string containing CC99, CC98, CC6 & CC38
It might be something else - but you should test with Peak parameters you know to be CC only, probably something you can get from a manual or by using a midi monitor and watching the output when you vary a parameter
Can the Digitone 2 send those NRPN strings and handle with bonding? Or should I just make two. For example Filter is 29 and 70 (don’t pick me on it). Then I will just make two Midi CCs *29 and other one 70. Just a thought, I haven’t my digitone here. So don’t know to test.
I was just checking the midi implementation from the peak:
Search on NRPN and you will get to the midi section. I wonder with my limited knowledge. I noticed following information:
What is a CC PAIR? By accident I see that I implemented the. filter frequency cc value into the digitone 2 by just using 29. I didn’t do anything with 61. The filter seems to be reacting the same as the machine. But when I try lfo1. filter … it doesn’t seem to work totally. How do you guys tackle this with an elektron machine?
Some Google AI delivered me this:
Not sure whether it’s totally correct off course. But it seems like CC Pairs will empty your available midi cc parameters a lot. At least by two. By the way: Can I make two digitone tracks with some channel value. Or is it going to be a mess? It doubles the amount of CC values.
Have a good day!
The pair of CCs for Filter Frequency is listed as two Numbers 29 and 61
In some devices a pair of CC messages would be used to offer coarse and fine control
Typically 0-127 for coarse using one CC and the other CC sets a fine offset between semitones
A NRPN bundles these up into a set format message and also offers the same resolution potential… it’s capable of addressing a 14bit range, just like pitchbend wheels often send to avoid stepping
The peak is only offering 8bits of resolution on Filter Frequency, so it’s not clear how they package that up internally, you’ll not be able to replicate this on the DN in any case, what you’d do is try CC29 and CC61 and see if one covers the whole frequency range as a coarse control. There are a number of ways to do the maths, so there’s no way to know how Novation arrive at the 256 values. You could mimic their MIDI control programmatically very easily using a program like Max/MSP, but there’s no way to do this from within DN, not even configuring ‘standard’ NRPN messaging strings, so discussing this further is of no value.
Essentially, if the peak is not transmitting dumb CCs for a parameter then there’s no great benefit in overly leaning on MIDI learn, just manually assign the appropriate value.
There’s no value in trying to use anything beyond a CC message, but you might have some joy with selecting one of the listed CCs when Novation describe a pair. There are topics on NRPN messaging and hacky ways to do it here if you were still looking for answers, but it’s probably best avoided.
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thanks!
I have been able to manipulate a lot of amp /env stuff. So enough to parameterize during the sequence. And by just record it as audio as well, I will play with Peak. Or Peak will send midi info into ableton. Would be great, but a challenge.
