Digitakt "Kit" Structure. How is it different?


#147

Patterns, yes. Single sounds to specific tracks??


#148

You certainly can’t do everything I said with the DT, if you read it again you actually can’t do any of it with the DT.
I don’t mind if you like the way the DT works, I think it’s an awesome device and that’s great…
But one of the reasons I wouldn’t get it is what I said above, and that’s fine too…
There’s no device preference war here, only facts…
Copy/paste is an extra step not necessary on AR…


#150

AFAIK “future” pasting of only sounds is not a possibility of any Elektron device.

So to clarify things and don’t spread wrong informations:

Can you please answer my question: Is the Digitakt really capable of “future” pasting only sounds (not patterns) as your post implied?


#154

I quite like the DT method, it has +/- over previous machines, but it would be cool if patterns could load other kits, and further to this it would be super fun to have kit locks too, imagine kitlocking different kits to each step, even if there would be glitches from fx and samples being cut short it would be worthwhile.


#156

But how does this help you with the problem of smooth transition from one pattern to the other? By pasting the complete mumbo-jumbo you overwrite the content of the pattern you want to play next. Not really helpful …

So if you really know how the system works, why do you suggest such nonsense?


#157

When it comes down to it…

-For some people the AR kit structure makes them not get or want to use one…
-For some people the DT kit structure makes them not get or want to use one…

It’s just like that… :joy:
It’s also one of those sensitive Elektronaut topics like song mode, overbrigde, and midi out for analog series… :rofl:


#159

“Mumbo jumbo” == all of the stuff (pattern + sounds)

Sorry, but it seems you are the one who doesn’t grasp what this discussion is about. It not about tweaking patterns and why future pasting of patterns is useful.

This discussion is about already existing patterns, sound tweaking and smooth transitions between the existing patterns. That’s a complete different topic.


#160

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#172

Live performance doesn’t mean only live jamming.

Think of a musican on stage. Normally his live performance consists of premade patterns (some songs he indent to play), but to spice things up he also tweaks the sounds like doing spontaneous filter sweeps and stuff like this. Give the performance just a little bit of life by its own, some uniqueness so to speak. But this way he ends up normally with a different sound then he started with.

Suppose he tweaked the bass and next pattern should continue with the same bass sound (the tweaked one). Without the possibility to share this sound between patterns it will reset back to its original state and therefore the transition between the patterns is noticable and not seemless.

Hopefully this clarifies it why it may be useful for some people.


#175

Never mind, the manual gave up its secrets.


#176

But you cant move between patterns which have the same sounds but different melodies. I think that might be what some of the others are referring to, that is what I think would be great at least. That you have a sound linked between patterns, so in pattern 1 you have melody 1, and in pattern 2 melody 2, played by the same sound. And if you change the filter cutoff in pattern 1, this cutoff will stay the same when you get to pattern 2, not jump to a predetermined value set in pattern2, so you get a seamless transition into the new melody. But I might be misunderstanding what people are referring to, this is a bit confusing because a lot of the terminology is kind of unclear to me.


#177

Hey does it work the same way for digitakt? Where you can copy a pattern, load up a different project, and then paste it?


#178

You can but the samples wont go with it, they will need putting in the same slots in the new project. It may be quicker to copy all the tracks to the sound bank, copy the pattern and reasign them once you paste in the new project rather than going through the sample list.


#179

I never thought about this till the other day, but with the ol kit structure and 128 kits, 128 patterns…
By being able to load any of the 128 kits to each pattern yields:

possible combinations of kit/pattern variations per project… :slight_smile:


#180

I agree with this.

The ability to copy a kit from one pattern to another would be great to have, and it would not disrupt those that want to keep it as-is.

For me I find that I fine tune sounds by using them in a composition which spans multiple patterns.
And yeah, I know I can use [TRK]+[REC] to copy a sound, and [TRK]+[STOP] to paste that sound to another track.

Without the ability to copy and paste the kit, it’s a lot of steps to update patterns.
When you get 6+ patterns for a composition, it’s gets crazy double checking every pattern to make sure all the sounds are right.


#181

100% this for me. If the DT worked any other way regarding this it would mess me up so much. I’d rather develop patterns as I go and not have new tweaks I make effecting older patterns I was happy with.

Someone mentioned what if they wanted to change the kick for all patterns?

Just copy the damn kick part to all of the patterns you want. It’s really not a big deal. It’s actually even easier because you could copy just the kick if that’s all you wanted to change and not worry about messing other instruments up if you for instance opened a pad’s filter in a different pattern.

And rejoice in the ability to choose a different kick per pattern if you decide that’s what works. Very flexible. The method you guys want already exists. Copy those parts.

The want for kits to be locked across all patterns just for your slight convenience is ridiculous.

The want for a handy copy all parts at once separate from the trigs is totally a good idea I’m all for. :+1:


#183

Can we flag to keep this up? I still feel like there was some good conversation that could help others in the future.

Also sorry if I was a bit of a butt in my post right above this.

I’m all for requesting improvements to gear if they are needed and I don’t think the companies are infallible. The benefit of this specific workflow just happens to be right up my alley so I got too invested :smiley:


#184

I noticed that that last block of posts was me replying to nobody as I saw the other user deleted their posts, so I just deleted mine too. It was sort of an off day for us and mostly needless back and forth, probably all the info has already been stated earlier in the thread…


#185

Oooh I misunderstood and thought that message was regarding this entire post as a whole.

I get it now.


#186

Last night I copied 3 patterns with their kits to a new project, and wanted to share how I did it.

  1. Export each track sound to 8 available slots in order (I just use the default name for each)
  2. Copy the active pattern
  3. Switch projects (and save changes)
  4. Paste the pattern
  5. Set the sound of each track to the 8 you created in step 1
  6. Delete the 8 sounds from the +Drive (optional)

In the past when I did this, I jumped between the two projects 8 times (to paste each track sound).
When you set the sound on a track it adds the needed sample to that project.
Since each track has a copy of the sound, you can clear the ones in the +Drive if you want.

I wish there was something with less steps, but it was workable for me.
If anyone has something with less steps, please let me know.

Best regards,

Gino


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