Depression/anxiety and music

Sometimes we´ll/you´ll have up and downs. I´ve heard it´s called: life. And it is dangerous to live, you could even die of it. Somewhat a joke as well as being true.

I happen to play guitar since age of 10-12. And are now, at age 36, at a level where I´m comfortable playing anything that´s from me and ‘my heart’. But that´s also all that I can, and have unconsciously practiced in those 20+ years.

My woman at home thinks it´s a bit strange that I can´t play any traditional songs, not even really famous christmas songs. I mean, technically I am most probably able to take the cords and whatever. I can´t read and play by notation, but are able to figure out which note is which if someone would put a paper in front of me. But it would take time and doesn´t interest me at all. All I´m interested in is ‘expressing’ myself. That I won´t find in any paper in front of me. Ever.

Do I know what I am doing all the time when I´m playing? No. I just play something.
Do I need to know it? No. I just play something.
Do I know if it´s good? No. Because I´ve just played something. Or are about to.
Do I know that it was me? Well, if something came when I was there. I guess it was me.

So, how do I know anything at all of above and how can I use it?
Well, I certainly am better and worse than anyone else in playing. It depends on which viewpoint I take. There will always be someone better as well as someone worse in the skill of guitar playing.

But what THEY don´t have that I still have is: me.
I am the best one in being me. Have been all my life.

And so are you. No one else than each of you have been so good in being just you. So whatever you choose to do or not to do, is: you. Whatever you choose to play or not to play, is: you. It´s your expression of yourself at that very time. And that is your strenght.

Now, what´s left to be needed?
Answer: taste. Yours that is. The very taste that you´ve grown your entire life. You certainly like and dislike some stuff. Because if you are not, I guess you are… dead?

So if you don´t know what to play/do. Just do something. Did it come effortlessly and is inspiring, in short: did you like it? Continue in following taste, your taste. Did it come with much struggle and uninspiring, in short: you dislike it? Continue in following your taste to somewhere else, and play/do something else. Your taste is your guide, it always have been… so let it be that. It´s there for you. It sort of is you, it defines you (at least for yourself). And when you hit onto something that suddenly is inspiring: I am betting that it is your taste recognizing it.

Many of the inspiring things that have happened to me when I´m playing guitar, have been when I´ve asked myself: “what happens if I do this?” and then just play/do it ‘fearlessly’… (and what´s the worst thing that could happen? that someone else doesn´t like it? isn´t that a opinion at second place, after your own?)

It´s starts with an idea and ends with the taste. My idea? = my taste!. So far, I haven´t hit onto anything that killed me. No need of drugs, my ideas and my taste is addictive enough (for me). Especially the good ones. One of the very best ideas is to continue with life to see the even better ideas coming. They certainly won´t come if I am not trying, right?

In playing with others, you may notice that above still applies. It´s just that when you hit onto those around that actually inspires you, they levitates you. All you can hope and try to is to do the same and levitate them. And that takes some practice too.

Depressions and/or other issues aren´t something to ignore. It´s there in your body/mind for a reason. Sometimes, professional help is needed. Sometimes not. I guess it´s a bit similar as to learning to play an instrument. Sometimes, professional help is needed. Sometimes not. In both cases I guess it is your taste telling you something…

:heart:

I ran into a depression many many years ago … this was a hard time and i’ve took a therapy. Within an intense half year i was up again and quite changed.

I don’t know much about you but give yourself a chance and do the right step.

Such a great thread. I thought of a couple, pretty down-to-earth things:

  1. Even though they might be downright grating at times, the communities that have developed around music can be a great part of the hobby, too. Especially if you’re stuck with some aspect of music or just want to get a second opinion, it can prove to be a very nice experience.

  2. You might want to check out Making Music – 74 Creative Strategies for Electronic Music Producers: https://makingmusic.ableton.com/ - I think the writer has just the right approach to making a book like this. Not too much into specifics, not too abstract. Ways to both clarify your mind and trick yourself into trying new things.

You just described me.

I remember something quoteable that my old Zen teacher mentioned decades ago, when I was just a goofy teenager…

“Before there can be relaxation of the mind, there must be relaxation of the body.”

So during times when I’m buggin’ out about something, I try to get out and at least take a walk. And damn, I’ve walked and walked for hours. Up and down hills upon hills. Over time, health permitting, those walks have turned into runs. I’m the slowest guy running across the Golden Gate bridge, but hey, at least I don’t jump! (that was humor, folks) and wow, what a beautiful view coming back, with pelicans soaring in formation, the rhythms of Pan-Sonic in my dorky headphones, and excellent soup made with the finest ingredients to be had when I get back home.

I have literally tasted death first-hand. I lost my wife to cancer nearly 11 years ago, and have reared my two sons on my own, from when they were nearly 4 and 6 years old. I’m still haunted by the suffering she endured. Yes, it’s tragic, but in my mind, I got off easy, so I should shut the fuck up. My boys are growing into lovely, kind, funny, strapping young men, and if I make musical noises for anyone else beside myself, I make it for them.

These events throw into stark relief what is truly important in life. A dear friend is in the midst of fighting breast cancer. She’s going through chemo right now. It fucking sucks. Another friend, who’s the little brother of my best friend, and who used to live with us while we were young and wild, just died of leukemia a few weeks ago. And just yesterday, I found out my younger, super cool and awesome cousin who was living in Berlin, and the guy who I hoped to visit and at least crash on his couch… is now back home, under hospice care, dying of lung cancer. He didn’t smoke. It happened quickly. I’m going to visit him tomorrow, if he’s up for it.

I’m sorry, I’m not trying to make this thread about me. I’m just letting you know I relate in a very deep and personal way. Namaste.

Ok, let’s all go back to whinging about how a certain feature of Overbridge or whatever hasn’t been implement yet, and how we’re “unimpressed” about something that someone else made online.[/quote]
Sorry to hear of your loss and the recent hardships. I just can’t even imagine…You’re an amazing person for pulling yourself forward after something like that.

I have pretty bad depression/anxiety. I used to find music helped, but now that I take music more seriously I get very depressed about my musical shortcomings. Makes it very difficult to make music. I take meds, see a psychologist which both help. Music making is most enjoyed when you are able to remember the reason you started making music, for fun and mostly for yourself. Problem with depression is it makes things you normally enjoy, not enjoyable, and thus hard to enjoy making music. Those times when I’m in the groove making something that I’m digging is the most satisfying feeling in the world for me, so it keeps me sticking with it. Best way of dealing with depression/anxiety can be talking about it, really good thread. i think a lot of creative types suffer from these issues.

I’d suggest to anyone who struggles with depression and anxiety or other mental issues to take the Braverman Assesment, especially the second part to get an idea of what brain chemicals you might be deficient in.

http://advancedpsychcare.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/braverman.test.pdf

In the test is a great list of supplements for whatever you might be deficient in. Supplements have helped me immensely and could help you also, I’d highly recommend them.

You just described me.

I remember something quoteable that my old Zen teacher mentioned decades ago, when I was just a goofy teenager…

“Before there can be relaxation of the mind, there must be relaxation of the body.”

So during times when I’m buggin’ out about something, I try to get out and at least take a walk. And damn, I’ve walked and walked for hours. Up and down hills upon hills. Over time, health permitting, those walks have turned into runs. I’m the slowest guy running across the Golden Gate bridge, but hey, at least I don’t jump! (that was humor, folks) and wow, what a beautiful view coming back, with pelicans soaring in formation, the rhythms of Pan-Sonic in my dorky headphones, and excellent soup made with the finest ingredients to be had when I get back home.

I have literally tasted death first-hand. I lost my wife to cancer nearly 11 years ago, and have reared my two sons on my own, from when they were nearly 4 and 6 years old. I’m still haunted by the suffering she endured. Yes, it’s tragic, but in my mind, I got off easy, so I should shut the fuck up. My boys are growing into lovely, kind, funny, strapping young men, and if I make musical noises for anyone else beside myself, I make it for them.

These events throw into stark relief what is truly important in life. A dear friend is in the midst of fighting breast cancer. She’s going through chemo right now. It fucking sucks. Another friend, who’s the little brother of my best friend, and who used to live with us while we were young and wild, just died of leukemia a few weeks ago. And just yesterday, I found out my younger, super cool and awesome cousin who was living in Berlin, and the guy who I hoped to visit and at least crash on his couch… is now back home, under hospice care, dying of lung cancer. He didn’t smoke. It happened quickly. I’m going to visit him tomorrow, if he’s up for it.

I’m sorry, I’m not trying to make this thread about me. I’m just letting you know I relate in a very deep and personal way. Namaste.

Ok, let’s all go back to whinging about how a certain feature of Overbridge or whatever hasn’t been implement yet, and how we’re “unimpressed” about something that someone else made online.[/quote]
surely not an easy road you were given!

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That looks really useful. Thanks for posting the link. :+1:

That looks really useful. Thanks for posting the link. :+1: [/quote]
Your welcome, I posted it hoping it could help someone. I wish I had found it years ago instead of experimenting on myself with various supplements and extensive research on their method of action, trying to figure out eventually a general idea of what neurochemicals need boosting. That test showed me what I had already figured out which is pretty good proof of it’s effectiveness because it took me years to get to the same conclusions.

maybe a bit of a tangent to the OP …
might sound cliched, but don’t underestimate the importance of spending time outdoors and getting your heart rate up i.e. whatever form of exercise that suits you. Even something as simple (that requires no special kit) like a bit of hardcore walking for an hour or two - you don’t need to be jogging, cycling, swimming or joining a gym)

It can be very helpful for restoring perspective when things might start seeming mentally claustrophobic and small challenges can seem big. It is also good for creativity to regularly jump yourself into a different wavelength.

Much as I love messing about trying to make music, it can be sometimes become a very introverted hideaway pursuit, particularly if you are also spending a significant chunk of your time also interacting/expressing yourself on computers/internet already as part of your working life.

We can sometimes miss the importance in life of frequently taking our heads into the big picture and drawing and sharing positive life force from and with the world and people around us - and instead succumb to over-indulging ourselves in micro worlds (like music creation in the technical precise control style we can gravitate towards).

Avoidance can exacerbate stresses as we find easy ways to forge a narrow safe isolated path and let depression and anxiety fester in the background, unaddressed. Like a good diet, it is best to be well balanced rather than too much of anything.

Just my 2c from someone who knows what anxiety and depression can be like and how hard they can be to shake when they’ve gotten a hold of your brain chemical balance.

I feel you. I’m bi-polar and it can be…challenging sometimes. Many days I feel I’m worthless and good at nothing. But you know - good is a relative thing. Now I do things that I enjoy and that make me happy and years ago it became a ‘pressure’ to live up to my expected standards and those I imagined others had - guitar was my thing too and I became obsessed that I was never getting anything constructive done. . That made my only escape from the witch, the mother of gloom that haunts me, just another thing for her to use to drag me into the abyss. Yet I was good enough to teach. And I helped others express their emotions, good and bad, by picking up that instrument and just playing. Just playing.
I was good enough to affect someone else’s existence in a positive way.
So regardless of whether I was ‘good enough’ to satisfy my own impossible standards or those of others what I done was fucking WORTH IT.
Now I just bought the dark trilogy. And you know what? Maybe I’ll never do anything but just jam for my own pleasure, but I don’t feel the pressure anymore. Because… When the sounds I make hit my ears the mother of gloom, that black hag bitch, goes away.
It maybe the only time I’m totally free of her…
Guess what I’m trying to say is don’t worry about what you can’t do, celebrate what you can.
And in this day n age and with amazing machines like Elektron produces we have a million possibilities and outlets for our emotions.
Brilliant post, and a big thanks to the Elektron team for giving me and others like me a beam of sunlight through the clouds.
Peace x

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+1000
I strongly agree with just about everything here. I know I seek solitude too frequently. Sometimes we have to force ourselves out of our comfort zone and get out there in the wider world. Everything in moderation. When we’re in old age, if we’re lucky enough to make it that long, what will we look back on with greatest joy? Gear we acquired? Music we wrote? People we loved? Places we saw? People we helped? I think, deep down, we know what is important. It’s just hard to break out of our ruts and venture out into the world when there are such dark clouds in our heads. But it must be done.

Hi to the originator of this post.

I will start my reply to you with: Do not overthink it!

Yes, it is not fair, whatever it is, it is NOT, but no one promised you that it will be fair, right?

A solution in this case is to be honest to yourself. You should know your limits and your opportunities. Just act upon them without giving yourself time that you cannot keep and giving yourself tasks that you cannot fulfill. This way you will realize your full potential.

Whatever happened there are no irreparable mistakes. Period! You can not change the things from the past, they are already there (in the past) and the past is untouchable. The past is irreparable and it is not your job to fix it! So, whatever happened already, you still have chances. Chances to live your life now, in the present, without missing something important and work hard to change your future. Invest in your future! And choose wisely - to invest in you regretting the past or to invest in building tomorrow’s past? There is only one correct answer to this question…

Try to replace the annoying “Why?” with the more creative “How?” Go out and meet with a lot of people, creative people, surround with them and exchange ideas with them. Maybe you will find someone to collaborate with, but even if you don`t find someone never stop trying creating art.

And remember - Stephen Hawking is doing scientific work in astrophysics only with his blinking eyelid, because this is the only part of his body that he can move, but he has the will to do it…

Never stop moving forward… never!

Best regards.

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