Delay pedal recommendations?... Is midi essential?


#21

You may have to be quick.
They’ve suspended production because of the lack of availability of the BBD chips.
http://www.moogmusic.com/news/mf-104m-analog-delay-production-suspended
This happened with the 104Z, and the 2nd hand price was ridiculous until they released the 104M.
A few places still have the 104Ms in stock[/quote]
Do you think it would be a good investment to sell on, close to the original price at a later stage if needs be? I’ve been close to pulling the trigger a few times, I could have got one at a decent price off ebay last week but decided to leave it to a later stage. Then suddenly I got the email they had discontinued, was kind of kicking myself as it’s less likely I’ll get one at a good 2nd hand price now.
I got the funds but may need to cash it in in a few months, so if its like the 104z you reckon it’ll have a good selling value?


#22

You may have to be quick.
They’ve suspended production because of the lack of availability of the BBD chips.
http://www.moogmusic.com/news/mf-104m-analog-delay-production-suspended
This happened with the 104Z, and the 2nd hand price was ridiculous until they released the 104M.
A few places still have the 104Ms in stock[/quote]
Do you think it would be a good investment to sell on, close to the original price at a later stage if needs be? I’ve been close to pulling the trigger a few times, I could have got one at a decent price off ebay last week but decided to leave it to a later stage. Then suddenly I got the email they had discontinued, was kind of kicking myself as it’s less likely I’ll get one at a good 2nd hand price now.
I got the funds but may need to cash it in in a few months, so if its like the 104z you reckon it’ll have a good selling value?[/quote]
Part of the reason i jumped on one. Was always on my list and moog stuff has a solid used market just in case. I was really impressed by elektron quality but they could probably take some notes from moog. the build quality is impeccable and everything is solid as can be.


#23

Just saw this shootout of some more common delay pedals - using a guitar, though. Strymon Capistan sounds lush, insofar as you can tell on youtube. Moog is the clear winner to my ears, though.

Tbh, I tend to use itb delays and modulation - Excalibur and Soundtoys bundle in particular.


#24

Just been at a Haushka concert and he uses a Boss RE20 and it sounds fucking amazing


#25

The two main diy forums I go to are diystompboxes and electromusic (they have a diy section). I actually started with stripboards via a site called tagboardeffects. They have a lot of projects that are good for starting out.


#26

great. thanks


#27

You may have to be quick.
They’ve suspended production because of the lack of availability of the BBD chips.
http://www.moogmusic.com/news/mf-104m-analog-delay-production-suspended
This happened with the 104Z, and the 2nd hand price was ridiculous until they released the 104M.
A few places still have the 104Ms in stock[/quote]
Do you think it would be a good investment to sell on, close to the original price at a later stage if needs be? I’ve been close to pulling the trigger a few times, I could have got one at a decent price off ebay last week but decided to leave it to a later stage. Then suddenly I got the email they had discontinued, was kind of kicking myself as it’s less likely I’ll get one at a good 2nd hand price now.
I got the funds but may need to cash it in in a few months, so if its like the 104z you reckon it’ll have a good selling value?[/quote]
Part of the reason i jumped on one. Was always on my list and moog stuff has a solid used market just in case. I was really impressed by elektron quality but they could probably take some notes from moog. the build quality is impeccable and everything is solid as can be.[/quote]
I went and took the plunge, got one for a reduced price off Juno with a free gig bag. Still got buyers guilt tho, may well sell it off down the line, hard to justify the cost for a pedal.


#28

A cool tip for synching an analog delay and OT without midi is using the pickup machines. Get the delay trail close to the bpm you want then loop a note coming out of the delay timing it like you would with any live loop going into the pickup machines, the OT then of course matches the bpm to the delay automatically. Might not be 100% as tight as midi sync but does the job.


#29

You may have to be quick.
They’ve suspended production because of the lack of availability of the BBD chips.
http://www.moogmusic.com/news/mf-104m-analog-delay-production-suspended
This happened with the 104Z, and the 2nd hand price was ridiculous until they released the 104M.
A few places still have the 104Ms in stock[/quote]
Do you think it would be a good investment to sell on, close to the original price at a later stage if needs be? I’ve been close to pulling the trigger a few times, I could have got one at a decent price off ebay last week but decided to leave it to a later stage. Then suddenly I got the email they had discontinued, was kind of kicking myself as it’s less likely I’ll get one at a good 2nd hand price now.
I got the funds but may need to cash it in in a few months, so if its like the 104z you reckon it’ll have a good selling value?[/quote]
Part of the reason i jumped on one. Was always on my list and moog stuff has a solid used market just in case. I was really impressed by elektron quality but they could probably take some notes from moog. the build quality is impeccable and everything is solid as can be.[/quote]
I went and took the plunge, got one for a reduced price off Juno with a free gig bag. Still got buyers guilt tho, may well sell it off down the line, hard to justify the cost for a pedal.
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Maybe hard to justify the cost if you don’t love it, and for me the 104Z was a bit too dark for what I was looking for, but wow, if you have the gear to take advantage of all its inputs and outputs, what a pedal. And the LFO section is sooo useful. It’s not just for making weird wobbles. :wink:

I can appreciate the desire for wanting midi, but I think the ‘need’ for a stereo delay pedal has been overstated.


#30

Excellent point. The sync might actually be tighter than MIDI depending on the pedal - one of the Moog MIDI delays for example had a MIDI sync problem and I have also heard complaints about MIDI sync on other pedals.


#31

Such a disappointment that the midi sync only works for delay times in delay mode and not to sync/quantize the looper. This would make a great affordable stereo looper if they could implement that functionality.

Same goes for their Alter Ego X4.


#32

Just wanted to add the Korg SDD-3000 pedal into the discussion. I don´t know what price range it is in (probably to much). But it has stereo in/out and MIDI.

Manual and MIDI implementation here:
[url=“http://i.korg.com/SupportPage.aspx?productid=709”]
http://i.korg.com/SupportPage.aspx?productid=709

EDIT:
It doesn´t seem to respond to MIDI clock… :confused: :sob:


#33

Im looking at pedals at the moment and I found the Eventide H9 - so you can load any algo into it…

If you like Eventide its a total no-brainer as you get all the algos currently available and access to every algo from then on…


#34

I have a dl4 and like it too… But i just got an empress echosystem, and, … It’s day and night… Try it if you can :+1:


#35

BBD chips are back: http://smallbear-electronics.mybigcommerce.com/mn3005-re-makes-xvive-audio/

I’m in talks with someone to build a personal clone of a memory man. In the meantime I’m designing a Bela based delay/sampler. Based on this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huHpao-UUPo The Bela has built in midi functionality. You can plug a keyboard/anything midi into the usb and it works.


#36

So I am going to go a little off topic, but whatever.
Imo synced delay is very often unnecessary. UNLESS You are doing something percussive. But even then you can just approximate by ear.

But for melodic stuff, and doubly so for pads and stuff like that, it’s unnecessary.
You ca use the delay to thicken up the sound and often the individual repeats aren’t even always heard very clearly, they become part of the sound if you like.

I do have the boss dd500 that has midi and sounds amazing tho. All 3 of the boss 500 pedals are great.


#37

Not a typical pedal. But nothing comes close to the Oto Bim.