I am looking for more control over my drums and have come up with a routing scenario to deal with this for my next live gig. Not sure if it is a viable solution. I am doing this to have further volume control, eq, sends etc from a mixer.
At the moment my MD is always positioned at Track 4 on the Octatrack via a Thru machine and is bussed to the Octatrack main outputs along with everything else to front of house.
I am considering bussing T4 (drums) on Octa to the cue outputs.
Everything else bussed to the main outputs.
-Octa Cue outputs (drums) to a stereo channel on a mixer (channel1).
-Octa Main outputs to a stereo channel on mixer (channel2).
-Mixer outs to front of house.
-Cue mutes track in personalise menu so the drum signal only comes through cue outputs.
So far so good. My question is…
Is it possible to save cue output levels per part to maintain correct levels when changing between parts? (as you do with the LEV value)
After testing this out I have realised that by routing the drums this way I have lost the ability to mute the drums.
By changing the CFG option to “Studio” I am able to mute T4 (drums) on the Octatrack.
The manual states that it is possible to route any of the tracks to the cue outputs but doesn’t inform you as to how to do this?
At the moment all tracks are routed to the main outs and cue outs, causing bad phasing. Anyone know how to individually route tracks to the cue outputs in studio mode?
The only solution I can think of at the moment is to turn down the “LEV” value on the drums and turn up the “CUE” level, whilst turning down the “CUE” level on all other tracks, which is a hassle…
In studio mode (cue configuration) you lose the ability to press cue+t4 to send that track to the cue outputs.
In normal cue configuration mode the method you described is applicable, but you lose the ability to mute cue’d tracks…
So as far as I know reducing the cue level on tracks that you don’t want to be bussed to the cue outputs is the only way of doing this. (In studio mode)
If I am wrong here (which I hope I am) I would like to hear how this is possible.
The only way I’ve been able to use 4 separate outs in studio mode is by a combination of adjusting levels and balance (panning).
Track 1 has Main Level at max, Cue level at 0 and balance set to L
Track 5 has Main Level at max, Cue level at 0 and balance set to R
Track 2 has Main Level at 0, Cue level at max and balance set to L
Track 6 has Main Level at 0, Cue level at max and balance set to R
then the bottom 4 tracks (3,4,7,8) are used wherever I want.
The only way I’ve been able to use 4 separate outs in studio mode is by a combination of adjusting levels and balance (panning).
Track 1 has Main Level at max, Cue level at 0 and balance set to L
Track 5 has Main Level at max, Cue level at 0 and balance set to R
Track 2 has Main Level at 0, Cue level at max and balance set to L
Track 6 has Main Level at 0, Cue level at max and balance set to R
then the bottom 4 tracks (3,4,7,8) are used wherever I want.
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this looks interesting.
is there any kind of “bleeding” between the 4 outputs this way?
could I send a click track (not the metronome) from one of the 4 mono outs this way and be sure you can ABSOLUTELY hear nothing of the click in the other outputs? for big live shows on big PA´s?
@ oldgearguy your method is where I am at with this.
So it looks like-
1 -all tracks going to main outs boost “LEV”
2-tracks not going to main outs bring “LEV” to zero.
3- all tracks going to cue outputs boost “CUE”
4- all tracks not going to cue outputs bring “CUE” to zero.
5- pan for individual tracking. (I just need two stereo pairs for now)
I have also since discovered that anything bussed to cue outputs loses any Master effects etc if you use T8 as a master channel.
this looks interesting.
is there any kind of “bleeding” between the 4 outputs this way?
could I send a click track (not the metronome) from one of the 4 mono outs this way and be sure you can ABSOLUTELY hear nothing of the click in the other outputs? for big live shows on big PA´s?[/quote]
Running into a mixing board I don’t hear any bleedthrough, but at full PA levels, I don’t know without testing. I’m usually running something on all the outs in this config or else the out is muted/unpatched at the board, but I haven’t noticed (for example) drum kicks bleeding into a vocal track.
Best to test it first before you go out with it, just to be safe.
Right you are. I rarely use the Master Track config, so it hasn’t bothered me much. The main reason for doing it this way (for me) is to make use of my outboard gear.
The good news is that since the levels and panning are stored in a Part, you can set up the tracks the way you want them allocated, save the Part, and then every time you use that Part, the tracks are all pre-configured for you.
Anyone know of what use is the Cue level on the Master track (T8)?
I have adjusted this level but it doesn’t seem to have any effect on the Cue output volume. Am I missing something here?