Can't select Turbo Speed MIDI setting

cuckoomusic · 2014-09-27T12:40:27.000Z

I found out today that if the MIDI AUTO CHANNEL is set to 1 - turbo mode will not kick in. It took quite some time to find out - because I’ve been using channel 1 quite a lot. Ahh… finally I can breathe!

gajimicu · 2014-11-02T21:56:03.000Z

I’ve had no luck with speeding up my transfers, even after having checked all the comments around here and made sure my settings were alright…
I noticed a couple things though.

The transfer speed depends on the file for me. Oddly enough, a 96KHz/24bits file that I tested is transfering much faster than a 48KHz/16bits file of the same size that I had prepared for this in soundforge. but when I say faster it is in now way near to the transfer speed I see in the https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MliQZYlGKPU
I can tick the Turbo Speed button on C6 but I have never been able to tick it in my AR Global/Midi config/Midi port config.

I started sending a batch of 96 files for a total of 44Mo, and after 20 minutes and 22 files copied I just saw that the names were not there (even though the SDS was checked in C6 beforehand, and my previous uploads had the name there…)

This is reaaaally disappointing and frustrating to see such an archaic file system on such a recent and expensive piece of hardware…

But I gotta say I love this AR, even with a crappy file system !

h4ndcrafted · 2014-11-06T09:54:09.000Z

So I’m not clear on this either. I have the Elektron set to USB only, as has been said, I can not activate turbo on the RYTM box.

Is this only available with their ‘turbo’ module ? or should I be able to activate a turbo mode between c6 and the RYTM itself ?

I have found on occasion that transfers slows a lot for some reason, and leaving the RYTM off for a few seconds and turning back on then improves the speed a lot …ram issue ?

Also I have found file names that are similar, I.e kick001 , kick002 etc, quite often get overwritten by each other when transferring, so you have to batch rename sometimes.

I can’t seem to fill her up though, I have Maschine expansions as well as some Goldbaby stuff and some other classic kits.

n8pyfer · 2014-11-14T07:24:17.000Z

Does this mess up any incoming midi signal, not having it auto set to channel 1? What do you have it set to instead?
I send midi from pro tools to my A4 a lot and don’t wanna gunk up anything there.

Blip · 2014-12-23T23:14:04.000Z

yea seems i’ve lost the ability to enable turbo too… i got a hunch its because i changed midi settings, but have checked it all and disabled modifications i had made… and reset to be usb only. might try and figure it out or do a factory reset, but there must be something blocking it.

uploading without turbo is super slow

RotaryCuffRepair · 2014-12-31T01:27:07.000Z

any update on this problem?

jeruro · 2015-01-02T06:30:27.000Z

Same problem here I can check turbo in C6 only if i select Midi in and out ports in the config, but no way in the AR so transfer speeds are terrible.

My unit have the 1.02E Firmware.

I contacted with Elektron support and waiting for an answer…

n8pyfer · 2015-01-03T19:43:10.000Z

to set the turbo on the Analog 4, you have to connect both the midi in and midi out to another machine that has the turbo capability.

for example:

i have my A4 connected to my OT, both midi in and out connected and now i can select my Turbo setting on the A4

avantronica · 2015-01-08T22:03:42.000Z

My understanding is that the AR side Turbo button is for DIN connections to other devices with which it can negotiate a speed, be it the TM1 or A4 etc
To get the faster transfer speeds you use the Turbo button and tick Top two sds related checkboxes too in C6, make sure Midi I/o is USB only
Works fine for me, no need to check the uncheckable Turbo box in the AR
Only just tried it, so may be missing some nuances fwiw

MK7 · 2015-02-12T12:28:19.000Z

Any new insights on this issue? Uploading samples is super slow without turbo mode…

avantronica · 2015-02-12T14:39:26.000Z

""MK7"":

Any new insights on this issue? Uploading samples is super slow without turbo mode…

Cenk detailed the order of things elsewhere, it is important to restart if it seems 10x slower, it’s possible to break it into a slow mode if you mess with buttons etc - You cannot use Turbo via midi (meant to type USB), it’s implicit, just set the other two toggles and search out Dataline’s post

MK7 · 2015-02-12T14:42:11.000Z

thx

L4rs3rik · 2015-02-12T17:20:21.000Z

Aren’t you guys discussing two separate things here:

1. If the /midi config/midi port config/“turbo speed”-setting checkbox is possible to change.

From what I understand this setting is never showing anything else then an unchecked checkbox. Perhaps the mentioned midi interface from Elektron is needed. That doesn’t mean that the machine isn’t in “turbo” mode when transferring data using C6.

2. If the speed you’re getting really is “turbo” or regular midi transfer speed.

Secondly ten times (at best) regular midi transfer is “turbo” for sure but still no where near the data transfer speeds that you might expect compared to USB2 hard drives and flash memory today.

In the Straight808 sound pack documentation from Elektron it says that transferring the total of 6.22 megabytes of samples will take approximately 15 minutes. That’s the ballpark figures to use when determining if you got “turbo” or not I would say.

Personally I’m getting speeds up to 18kbs when transferring samples. Not exactly a white knuckle ride.

avantronica · 2015-02-12T18:12:11.000Z

I don’t know if it answers the q, but i tidied up my typo. I’m fairly clear on this, you can use Turbo over DIN and get up to 10 times the standard midi transfer rate, you can also get 10x the standard midi transfer rate if C6 is playing nice, it’s sadly possible to find yourself using C6 with it having lost its speedy mode which the user can’t engage over usb anyway, it should just happen, but button clicking can mess that up, and yeah at 10x midi transfer rate it is still painfully slow, it worked ok for me, but i was able to nudge it into 10x the pain mode, so following Cenk’s order should help avoid that pitfall - and as LarsErik points out it’s good to have a realistic transfer rate in mind so you don’t go assuming it ought to be faster than it would be if you swapped a usb chord for a TM-1 and midi cable

I think i was maybe commenting on the Turbo button inaccessibility within the AR os

it put me right off using my pricey blofeld SL upgrade for its intended use, it’s such a workflow killer when inspiration strikes, but neither waldorf nor elektron have done this to spite us all, best make peace with it

kroffe · 2015-02-13T08:30:55.000Z

On page 54 in the Analog Rytm User Manual the following quote is found:

[ul]
[li]If the Analog Rytm sends or receives SysEx data through the MIDI ports, use the Elektron TM-1 USB MIDI interface for up to 10x transfer speeds. [/li]
[/ul]

I suppose this means that turbo speed is only achieved through using a TM-1?

Also on page 60 the TM-1 mentioned again:

[ul]
[li]If the Analog Rytm receives the OS upgrade through the MIDI ports, use the Elektron TM-1 USB MIDI interface for up to 10x transfer speeds. [/li]
[/ul]

avantronica · 2015-02-13T10:11:30.000Z

""kroffe"":

I suppose this means that turbo speed is only achieved through using a TM-1?

And also via USB over midi but only with C6, if C6 is not ‘mishandled’

L4rs3rik · 2015-02-13T12:41:10.000Z

""kroffe"":

On page 54 in the Analog Rytm User Manual the following quote is found:

[ul]
[li]If the Analog Rytm sends or receives SysEx data through the MIDI ports, use the Elektron TM-1 USB MIDI interface for up to 10x transfer speeds. [/li]
[/ul]

I suppose this means that turbo speed is only achieved through using a TM-1?

Also on page 60 the TM-1 mentioned again:

[ul]
[li]If the Analog Rytm receives the OS upgrade through the MIDI ports, use the Elektron TM-1 USB MIDI interface for up to 10x transfer speeds. [/li]
[/ul]

I think that’s an error in the manual. You can get “turbo midi” with the C6 and USB port. I’m getting about 18kbs at most and that’s way above “standard midi” speed.

hkrabye · 2015-03-01T20:15:31.000Z

Hmmmm. I have the latest updates of the AR OS (1.02D) and C6 (1.51), the AR is set to use USB for MIDI in and out, the AutoChannel is sett to OFF, but I still can’t activate the Turbo Speed on the AR. Is it supposed to work? If yes, what am I doing wrong? I have rebooted the AR and C6, but it just don’t work.

L4rs3rik · 2015-03-04T18:42:18.000Z

""hkrabye"":

Hmmmm. I have the latest updates of the AR OS (1.02D) and C6 (1.51), the AR is set to use USB for MIDI in and out, the AutoChannel is sett to OFF, but I still can’t activate the Turbo Speed on the AR. Is it supposed to work? If yes, what am I doing wrong? I have rebooted the AR and C6, but it just don’t work.

Read my posts earlier in this thread. Chances are you are getting fooled by the check box in the midi settings.

punkdisco · 2016-01-31T09:51:59.000Z

(First post so thought I’d make it pretty)

Thanks for all the above pointers. I struggled with VERY slow sample uploads for the first few hours of trying. Now got it working fast (~5 seconds per typical 50k short kick) and thought I would summarise my settings in a picture.

BTW, I tested Cuckoo’s comment about “MIDI – AUTO CHANNEL can not be 1” but this did not effect my results. Maybe this is true when combined with some other setting that I don’t have…?

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Thanks again all…

Paul
London

www.punkdisco.co.uk