Best groovebox ever made?

Actually surprised nobody is saying Digitakt

Is very fluid and flexible

Also being the top seller is for a reason imo

But yeah I think MD (UW) is probably it, ignoring the tiny sample memory but is massive sample memory even expected on a pure groovebox? And on the fence as to if MCL counts.

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It kinda does yeah but it’ll take a lot of preparation to set up. You have something called instrument racks. Here you can combine multiple instruments into one rack and map multiple parameters to macro knobs. Kinda similar to the performance knobs of the analog four. You can even set the range per paramater that the macro should control.

With this you could in fact create aomething similar to control all. You need to build this yourself first though ;). It’s not exactly the same but push offers multiple ways of creating worlds where unexpired things can happen. You can create instrument racks and in those instrument racks you can have effect racks within effect racks within effect racks within effect racks etc. Etc. All with macros controlling multiple things at a time plus lfos, envelope followers etc. And you can record this “control all” as automation :wink:

I’m still scratching the surface but I’ve already have been experimenting with this and it’s quite insane. It won’t be as immediate as the fixed architecture that is control all but the plan is to create a bunch of template structures that will give that instant experimental feeling.

So in short: yes, sort of. But in a different way and not ready to go unless you download templates from others or Ableton packs. I really love control all as well though. It’s indeed an infinite pool of ideas :slight_smile:

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I would’ve said Digitakt 7 months ago probably. It is my all time favorite. But syntakt is just so incredibly quick to work with and offers a few things that really blow my mind sometimes.

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so, the mc909 is the first roland groovebox to include a sampler, rolling out in 2002. do we figure roland invented the groovebox thus that is the first groovebox with a sampler? or does an mpc constitute a groovebox? is it a drum machine? just trying to find the missing link between sampler and groovebox because digitakt and a modern mpc are most certainly grooveboxes, but a pure groovebox is a synthesis engine, a drum machine, an arranger, and at a certain point effects, midi controller and sampler all in one non keyboard desktop format. there has to be an Australopithecus between man and ape otherwise evolution would have never occurred (if you subscribe to science as a marker for change and development).

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Let me preface this by saying I love the machinedrum. It’s one of my top pieces of gear if all time. My time with it was always…just wonderful…it was the Breath of the Wild of pieces of gear.

But, I would heavily argue that its a drum machine that had features that could be used as a groove box more than a legitimate groovebox.

My absolute, #1, argument for why it’s NOT a groovebox: the pitch settings/intervals

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Even with the X firmware?

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IIRC Roland used the marketing term “Groovebox” for the first time with the MC303. Which didn’t have any sampling capabilities, and its synth engine was very, very rudimentary (compressed PCM samples with very limited editing options).

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definitely, but at this point it’s more than a roland proprietary term (although at that point it absolutely was) so I’m just thinking by living definition of the term groovebox, does the roland 909 constitute the first groovebox to include sampling or is there something else which would supercede that as the link between groovebox and sampler? Like I’m pretty sure the yamaha rm1x from 1999 has samples, but not a sampler and that’s without a doubt a groovebox although yamaha didn’t call it that by name.

korg es1? also from 1999 or 2000? it came before the mc909, but is it more of a sampler sequencer like an mpc, than it is a groovebox? rhythm production station with sampler doesn’t necessarily constitute groovebox.

Of course, nowadays groovebox is a generic term. This thread contributions show how different the interpretations of the original concept and meaning can be.

The MC909 definitely wasn’t the first groovebox with sampling capabilities. For example, the ASR X came out in 1997.

asr x is a sampler sequencer.

With a synth engine and powerful fx. Like the MC909.

So that’s the first groovebox with a sampler, would that be the tentative link?

I knew a dude with an asr x around y2k and he must have not known how to use the synth engine because all it every got used for was sampling and drums.

I don’t think so, unless you’re saying asrx isn’t a groovebox with sampling, I’m asking should that be considered the missing link?

If it had sampler sequencer synth and effects processing, I’d say that’s very much a groovebox. I don’t think it’s a roland proprietary term at this point.

I guess we have a different opinion about what a groovebox is. :+1:

This is why I don‘t think the MPC One still qualifies as a groovebox. I have one, but for me it‘s a DAW in a box. Touch Screen controls and (for me) not well designed UI somehow killed it for me.

May also be the reason why there will never be a clear winner here, because it depends so much on personal preference and workflow.

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I’m not 100% sure the ASR X was the first “groovebox” with sampling capabilities.

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It’s the closest we can come probably until someone else has other conflicting info, I can’t think of a similarly defined desktop unit that has the same capabilities as defined by sampling groovebox.

No hate from me! Just don’t enjoy their workflow, that’s all. Great to hear it’s working for you.

Groovebox

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At one point, my setup consisted of a Roland MC303 (first time I’d seen the word Groovebox used) and an Ensoniq ASR-X. Had so much fun and was so productive with less kit before GAS kicked in :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:

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I always thought of a groovebox as anything that lets you make and manipulate loops that can include both percussion and chromatics. If it’s just percussion then it’s a drum machine. If it’s just chromatics then it’s a synth.

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