Not if you take a photo of your patch 
even going from DSI to Moog is a step up. pots bolted to the front panel that donāt wobble whatsoever is a huge thing. not that DSI sucks, but Iād still give the edge to Moog there, and itās always been that way with them, across their entire line.
40+ year old Minimoogs still work. they need maintenance sometimes, of course. but itās a classic instrument you take pride in owning and derive much enjoyment from playing. so you suck it up and pay the maintenance bill. when a Behringer Model D breaks down, do you pay to fix it or just toss it and get a new one?
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Always though Moog was quality stuff but DSI ā¦ not so much.
They used the worst encoders in the history of synth (prophet 8 - Evolver) complete crap and they asked money for a pots replacement ! They still use cheap tact switch (need to replace one on my OB6 again) OS dev is incredibly slow and i always have the impression that you have the choice of a good sounding synth but extremely limited or a full featured synth but crap sounding (those curtis chip).
Anyway i have a Boog and to be honest i have nothing to say , feels great.
I havenāt tried that, true, but the controls are so sensitive that I doubt I could reproduce the patches even from a photo. OTOH I do like the sound quite a bit, and the xlr output is a godsend since my current mixer only accepts balanced signals. But if I ever run into a synth that can reproduce most of the sounds I like from the KARP, and has patch mem, Odyās going to be the first one to go.
instabuy together with MF
I already have the Odyssei app and korg gadget for macā¦ but that one sounds like paper compared to the hardware. Upon a casual inspection the emu holds up, but once you get to mixing, the papery quality rears its ugly headā¦
Its funny, I read often the phrase āits close enough, nobody will hear the difference in a mixā, and that feels so weird to me because when it comes time to mix, thatās when I personally start to notice shortcomings in software emusā¦ Be it a teebee emu vs my xoxbox, karp ody vs odyssei, TR-08 vs AR808, UAD pultec vs KT EQP-1ā¦ I always prefer the hardware in the mix.
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Isnāt it crazy? This is almost a 100 % copy of the mother 32. Even with the Assign out.
Cloning vintage synths that are not build anymore, hmmā¦
Copying 1:1 a current product of the competitor, hmm hmm hmm
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They have an assign out on the earlier Neutron - maybe Moog saw this used elsewhere too
Itās a nice touch on the crave - but having not been too familiar with the Moog myself (unobtanium and less happening than cheaper options) i was a little shocked to see the read across between the two - itās a patchbay in a new place and a better sequencer - clearly a source of inspiration
But for me this is less problematic, coming from guitars/pedals - a major whack of that market has been built on appropriation - to the extent that youād be easily fooled with the right decals swapped on
The crave is a neat looking device that some folk can afford (but not m32) - it may not affect Moog too much.
The crave wasnāt so obviously a clone to me, itās now more evident the thought put into design was half finished when it was originally conceived - possibly a bit naughty but far from 1:1
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ok 1:1 might be a bit exaggerated 
It looks really nice to be honest.
But the role model for the features is very obvious
Great! maybe they also have a DFAMāish model coming out for the same price
agreed, I was a bit late to that party - when I saw it I certainly factored in undue credit for topology - but I prefer its mojo/vibe/layout especially factoring in price
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I am not calling it shitty, but i feel the Same about the Volca series. But hey, whatever makes your boat float.
Yeah I donāt have a lot of experience with the older dsi stuff but I was mostly thinking about the newer stuff that has really nice feeling keys and the knobs and encoders at least feel a step above elektron in durability but I could be wrongā¦ mostly have played the pro2 but Iāve found the build to be really good, like it really is just great to play.
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So basically this thing is a cloned M32 in a different case and some people on the interweb be like āā¦ take this Behringer haters,no clone this time.ā
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I dispute that. The build quality is fine but is a level or two below DSI and Moog. All from my experience mind you! But I do agree that build quality is not an issue just simply not on a par with the more āpremiumā options out there.
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Yep, you get (more than) what you pay for. Iām fine with that.
Not sure if they have improved but I thought Prophet-6 had quite flimsy knobs when I used it and older DSI synths had downright terrible rotary encoders that broke often.
Moog on the other hand has had plenty of issues especially with their cheaper synths (Sub37 filter pot often needs replacing etc) but also with more expensive ones.
I have owned Deepmind12 for two years and thereās nothing wrong with it, I also like the keyboard in it and have no idea why some criticise it. I also have Model D and itās solid too, no issues with build quality at all. Both also sound absolutely awesome.
I can only speak from experience. My DM12 keybed was great but the faders, knobs, screen were sub par when compared to the Voyager and multiple DSIās Iāve owned. And the fan was a little bit ridiculous! Like @Skippit says though, you get what you pay for at that price point.
It isnāt a criticism of Behringer - Iām very much pro cheaper synths and things. I just donāt agree that build quality is on a par with the more āprestigiousā brands. I wouldnāt expect it to be though!
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Care to elaborate? The fan can be turned off, itās only there for tuning stability in hot environments.
Moog One on the other hand has five fans that canāt be turned offā¦
Not sure what you mean by faders and screen being subpar either. Faders feel exactly like faders in Juno-106. The screen isnāt the highest resolution ever, but it does its job well and is very readable. Compared to Elektron screens, itās certainly not worse.
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Ahhhhh im in the process of saving up for a DFAM. Its a lot of money for me! I dont know what to do now