Apple WWDC 2023

xtalx · 2023-06-09T18:06:04.013Z

The original iPhone was also highly subsidized (via 2 year contract) by the carrier (AT&T), today the customer pays the full retail price. No subsidy plus inflation is why they appear to be so much more expensive than back in the day.

HoldMyBeer · 2023-06-09T18:12:43.899Z

It wasn’t just iPhones, at that time you could get hundreds off of many new phones. There were a lot more incentives signing a new contract then. Some of that still exists, but it has also shifted to the leasing type of deals where you pay your monthly lease fee and get a brand new phone every 1-2 years instead.

thermionic · 2023-06-09T18:22:02.079Z

Hopefully they address some of the audio issues people have experienced with all audio interfaces (including just the Macbook itself!) and Apple chips.

I know they’re aware of them, RME and many others have sent out messages and posted at length but Apple doesn’t tend to publicly respond.

xtalx · 2023-06-09T18:55:25.683Z

Yep, I didn’t mean to say it was exclusive to iPhones, just that the 499 or whatever wasn’t the “real” price.

HoldMyBeer · 2023-06-09T18:58:41.373Z

You better get on the line with AT&T and let them know we want discounts.

HoldMyBeer · 2023-06-09T19:03:50.540Z

Also, according to this article, and this one:

The device, which didn’t actually go on sale until June, started at $499 for a 4GB model, $599 for the 8GB version (with a two-year contract).

So I guess that was the real price.

Which makes sense because AT&T had exclusive rights to iPhone in the early years.

4517 · 2023-06-09T19:07:41.642Z

If the performance of the Vision Pro is equivalent to a Varjo headset, hopefully we’ll start getting some additional development happening in the field of extended reality products. Here’s hoping, could be cool albeit horrifyingly dystopian!

xcc · 2023-06-09T19:40:28.069Z

This was very true in 2008.

xtalx · 2023-06-09T19:44:10.188Z

(with a two-year contract) is the key piece. AT&T ate some of the cost of the hardware (just like all carriers and phones were back in the day) to tie the consumer in a two year contract. The original point was that todays prices aren’t really 2-3x more than originally. The carriers are just selling them at retail price.

HoldMyBeer · 2023-06-09T19:58:43.584Z

Fore sure, it makes sense.

re5et · 2023-06-09T20:59:14.466Z

it’ll broaden the interest for the general public and might help psvr2 and quest 2 or whatever… i think some of the tech is overkill , but it is the device that others need to match… for a high end device at least.
in addition they have a good ecosystem and the largest phone audience which makes it easier to co-exist… (though i think much of it would need the monthly icould/apple games payments )…
if you can afford 3.5k i doubt small monthly payments is much of an issue.

brian3kb · 2023-06-09T21:53:25.489Z

Lex Fridman did an interview with Mark Zuckerberg post Apple’s launch, and he seems to think its a good thing and that Apple launching into the space is a validation of the work Meta have been doing. Until the Vision SE comes out from Apple, it will likely push the average consumer over to the more affordable Quest 3. Mark Zuckerberg: Future of AI at Meta, Facebook, Instagram, and WhatsApp | Lex Fridman Podcast #383 - YouTube

nfim · 2023-06-10T08:55:58.595Z

I wouldn’t take anything Lex Fridman says seriously, he’s a complete airhead

Laser · 2023-06-10T10:10:45.966Z

OT sorry, but any reason not to get the Minirig 3s?

Also bit annoying you need 2 for stereo, pushes the cost up!

Btw I know this is a shit solution but what about an inline volume knob?

darenager · 2023-06-10T10:53:42.691Z

@Laser OT minirig chat

I ended up returning them, they were too hissy and I didn’t feel they were worth £99 each. Bit peeved given the amount of glowing reviews they get, if they didn’t hiss, didn’t have Bluetooth, had a volume control, line in was not distorting, were stereo just by linking, and half the price I think I would have kept them.

Soarer · 2023-06-10T14:38:37.435Z

My god that looks freakin brilliant! Definitely getting one

micabeza · 2023-06-11T06:49:14.029Z

600 was an astronomical price for a phone then too, even subsidized.
insert Steve Ballmer quote here

reeloy · 2023-06-11T09:21:03.337Z

…there’s no too woke in cuppertino…
…and from now on, everything is just a tap of ur fingers with a flick away…
…sexy as fuk…spooky as hell…just speak ur mind…realtime is nothing but a blink of ur eyes…
…spatial computing…has come to stay…
…for now, only for rich folks…but don’t u worry…within another two years, the pricetag of ur next mbp will be already a little higher than the a new air light version of ur new shiny eyesight computer…and let’s face it, literally, who will still use a classic laptop or desktop design end of this decade anyways…

amazon rings at ur door to deliver fresh air and to fill ur fridge… no need to leave the house ever again…yeah…the future is a shiny, candy coloured thing…who said, digital slavery and living in the matrix is bad…how dare u…think twice and try again…

mr_bernard · 2023-06-12T15:57:15.075Z

You writing the prequel to Ready Player One?

thermionic · 2023-06-12T16:10:14.592Z

reeloy:

…there’s no too woke in cuppertino…

Leading with the biggest issues for you, since not leaning into hate and historical scapegoats comes before actual issues of class and inequality.

mr_bernard:

You writing the prequel to Ready Player One?

[url= From DYSTOPIA to UTOPIA]Darker and brought into our world.[/url]

Sadly the rants are based on an honest to god reactionary cult over direct concerns of techno-feudalism.

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nfim:

I wouldn’t take anything Lex Fridman says seriously, he’s a complete airhead

[url= https://www.reddit.com/r/DecodingTheGurus/comments/13djt9p/is_lex_fridman_a_con_man/]100% agreement. He’s not a smart man.[/url]

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My M1 macbook should last quite a long time, hopefully until the airs get M3 and i’m able to use more than a few external monitors at once.

I appreciate at least that MacOS can last me a while, I’ve been a Windows user for most of my post-Commodore life and Windows 11 screwing with the good things about 7 and 10 UI and enshittifying the start menu alongside back end regressions in latency for audio (much worse for me) just broke me of wanting to bother.

Not that there aren’t some recent latency introducing changes for Apple native that need addressing, of course. But i have more confidence that those will ever be looked into than low level audio systems on Windows.