Anyone else make music in a genre that they don’t really listen to?

Flymo · 2022-07-09T20:20:01.382Z

If you’re using a scale you’re emulating prior art. It’s all degrees.

Fin25 · 2022-07-09T20:34:47.959Z

I’m a fat bastard, and scales are banned in my house.

Suspect_Frequency · 2022-07-09T20:53:14.049Z

1-2:

emulation vs originality?

I’m so original I won’t even use any of the 12 notes in any octave when I make music.

Fin25 · 2022-07-09T20:59:28.725Z

Suspect_Frequency:

I make music

You make music?

So unoriginal.

Tchu · 2022-07-09T21:01:00.538Z

Fin25:

I’m a fat bastard, and scales are banned in my house.

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Suspect_Frequency · 2022-07-09T21:02:09.005Z

Fin25:

You make music?

Do Euclidean generators and the random button count as ‘making’ music?

Then yes, I’m a musician.

Fin25 · 2022-07-09T21:06:19.103Z

Suspect_Frequency:

Do Euclidean generators and the random button count as ‘making’ music?

Best I keep my opinions on this one to myself.

1-2 · 2022-07-09T21:19:00.718Z

Much had been established, a lot of it because it just works, traditions evolve organically and there is comfort in familiarity, I think a lot of great music rides the edge between what has been known to work naturally and subverting expectations

Yes so much has been done, its become harder to hear something shockingly unique, but theres still got to be some new twists left. I think subtle variations can still go a long way today

craig · 2022-07-09T21:22:54.471Z

Yes, I seem to remember Squarepusher saying he used the Amen and other typical breaks for familiarity so he could do something new and out there over the top. Makes sense!

brisket · 2022-07-09T21:31:02.116Z

fabulously put

pselodux · 2022-07-10T03:46:31.788Z

darenager:

I’m not suggesting to ignore completely the genre you work in, but in some cases it isn’t necessary to know/care what your peers are doing, and sounding too derivative is very boring and unimaginative anyway, not to mention it won’t take you very far artistically.

I actually think the opposite is important. At least in my experience, every time I’ve tried to write in a certain genre without being exposed to a bunch of it, the result has been very derivative of the most stereotypical elements; cf. my alt-country phase, which was embarrassingly cliched. I’m experiencing that as well at the moment with disco; I’m trying to make a disco album but I just don’t know enough about it in order to make something interesting.

When I’ve had a lot of exposure to a genre or other kind of stylistic movement, it’s facilitated a knowledge of how to exploit the tropes, or avoid them. I guess the main one for me has been chipmusic, which isn’t really a genre, but at first I wasn’t very familiar with it as a scene/movement and thought it was all just videogame music. After spending a few years going to gigs and seeing all kinds of people playing anything from avantgarde/noise to black metal with chip instruments, I got more of a sense of what can be done with the gear etc. I think having that kind of experience with a scene or style can really help, even for personal taste outside of making music, e.g. when people say “I hate country music” and they’ve only ever heard radio country music from the past 20 years.

darenager · 2022-07-10T07:51:11.674Z

Yeah for sure its the balance between knowing enough to avoid the cliches, and forging your own sonic identity so that it still reads as the particular genre.

cema · 2022-07-10T08:34:42.947Z

Better to examine into techniques when it’s an electronic music subgenre.
Sound creating and beat creating skills are essentials.
For example once chopping, recreating, tweaking Amen beat takes you further more in beat music than listening to hundreds of times.

gekkonier · 2022-07-10T08:46:06.338Z

I don‘t care. That’s what I do. I don’t know about genres. Perhaps stoner d‘n‘b? Dunno???

sleepside · 2022-07-10T12:19:24.228Z

I think true invention is rare, and when it happens, other artists turn that invention into a new genre and set of conventions, and the cycle begin again.

Most of what is considered innovative in music is actally recontextualization, ime. Bjork smashing together techno, jazz, pop, classical minimalism, etc. Prince fusing new wave and funk. David Bowie’s career. Hell, the whole genre of hip-hop is based on recontextualization.

(It’s still work to make that recontextualization make sense, otherwise you’re just making novelty music or culture vulturing)

ammanuel · 2022-07-10T12:24:12.155Z

lol

djadonis206 · 2022-07-10T15:19:14.116Z

The one that I don’t think’s been mentioned is that most music has a self life. It’s good for a while and then it fades away. The really good stuff sticks around for months, days, years, and decades.

I will listen to a track I made, that I really like, for a little while and I’m then I’m usually done. But as someone else in this thread mentioned, I’ve listened to so much house and techno over the last almost 30 years (I’m 47), I’ve kind of heard it all. There are classics I still listen to, but not the way I listen to other genres of music.

Also, it should be noted, DJ tracks don’t always get to the point in a timely fashion when you’re driving 15 minutes to the gym, the store, or a friends house…and who wants to listen to “radio” edits of techno and house jams…seriously

Daspetal · 2022-07-10T18:36:19.222Z

I don’t listen to much hip hop anymore, but that’s what I make. I find the material too toxic after spending too many years living with the toxic elements. Once in a while I’ll put on some Griselda, Durk, or some old stuff, but not too often.

ghostbuddy · 2022-07-10T18:53:32.692Z

No, I pretty much listen to everything and definitely know the genres I operate in. I think it’s very useful.

Then again I only make noise rock, harsh noise and industrial. Soon starting an industrial metal band. Theres a lot of overlap between them.

I do also have a sort of industrial / noisy techno project, but it’s been slow going. I don’t listen to a lot of techno since I haven’t found many artists making stuff I like. Like Northern Electronics type of stuff.

MichalHo · 2022-07-11T11:14:22.884Z

Beethoven.