Any tip on designing Juno type - Brass sounds?

Manulaudic · 2014-03-22T16:41:33.000Z

Hi !

I have been enjoying my Analog four and i’m sure i can get some decent Juno’ish sounds from it.

The real question here is that i have no idea where to start to get anything close to the real deal.

I am looking for some Brass sound
For example in the video when the vocals kick in (0:25). The pad on the back is EXACTLY the type of sound i am looking for.

Any tip on designing these?

Cheers,
Manu

zosoaudo007 · 2014-03-22T17:32:05.000Z

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wintermute · 2014-03-22T23:03:56.000Z

""Manulaudic"":

Hi !

I have been enjoying my Analog four and i’m sure i can get some decent Juno’ish sounds from it.

The real question here is that i have no idea where to start to get anything close to the real deal.

I am looking for some Brass sound
For example in the video when the vocals kick in (0:25). The pad on the back is EXACTLY the type of sound i am looking for.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3FsCS-TRyo

Any tip on designing these?

Cheers,
Manu

There’s a good example in the free patches by FloppyDiskPirates here:
http://www.floppydiskpirates.com/free-patches/
Try the Kaiser pad patch, should give you a good idea of how to patch similar sounds for the future

Veets · 2014-03-22T23:37:18.000Z

Brass often uses a sawtooth wave. This one is very mellow sounding so try heavy LPF on a sawtooth. I could not figure out the envelopes very well because the limiting/compression seems to be ducking/pumping the pad. But there seems to be a little bit of volume/filter surge at the beginning of each chord which is probably from the envelope. I don’t hear much resonance either. There is probably some velocity programming because some chords sound a little brighter. Might try having velocity open up the filter a bit (or p-locks). Sorry, I don’t have A4/AK so I am just speaking generally. A little chorus often works well on pads. I listened for this but didn’t hear it on crappy speakers. Juno pads almost always have chorus but maybe it’s just a smidge here. Hope this helps…

Manulaudic · 2014-03-24T21:31:21.000Z

Thank you all. I have some serious learning to do.
I will check the synthesis basics and the kaiser pad as well as trying our the sawtooth one.

Thanks again,
This really is an awesome forum

Manu

Area303 · 2014-03-25T09:58:12.000Z

Also, a trick to Brass sounds is a slow Attack on the envelopes.

2Bit · 2014-03-25T13:11:40.000Z

remember there are a lot of more powerful features on the A4 than on the juno. any time your trying to replicate a certain synth, study the synth itself. obvious ones would be that a juno doesnt have dual sub osc. it also doesnt have two filters. try to design your sound within the limitations of the machine youre simulating.

snowcrash · 2014-03-25T13:26:43.000Z

""2Bit"":

it also doesnt have two filters.

The Juno 6/60/106 indeed does have two filters. The latter is a very special non-resonant HPF. Special, because when “turned off” it boosts low frequencies like an EQ. So you’ll need the A4’s second filter to simulate that low boost. Either with a HPF again or you could try the peak mode.

The biggest problem when simulating Roland sounds on the A4 is the filter characteristics, as the Roland filter sounds very smoothly and characteristic. You can’t do that easily when it comes to resonant sounds.

But then again it depends on how close you want to get. For the purist only the original will do, if it’s just the basic patch-settings you might come close enough.

Use moderate Resonance, and Filter ENV-Amount settings. Turn down the OSCs so not to distort the filter too much. Compensate gain loss on your mixer! You’ll find the A4 can sound thicker and smoother when keeping OSC levels below 50.

Manulaudic · 2014-04-09T17:19:07.000Z

Thank you all!
So good ideas in there and i was so in the blind spot now it’s getting real clear !

I managed to get something super cool, maybe not close enough but that’s the best part of designing, no limitations !!

Thanks a lot again,
Best forum !