Any Sync-Gen Expert ? I got an Issue On Ableton to Fix asap plea

Igorlessio · 2014-04-20T03:17:03.000Z

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I use this configuration.
The latency is too high and i have to fix it every time.
What i’m missing ?

Syncgen is routed properly to his 10/12 out.
It receive the clock but without the big latency compensation no way to have the machines in time.

Plus is random. So i have to fix it every time.

My sound card is an Antelope Orion and This is the Audio setup on ableton:

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If someone can be of any help will be amazing.

tnks

marcomoreno · 2014-04-20T07:39:44.000Z

Hi there,

I made a similar experience. Do you work with a hardware mixer or do you route the audio direct into the Orion? This way you have to deal with the input and output latency as well.
For me it helped using a mixing desk. Why such a high sampling rate?

Cheers

marcomoreno · 2014-04-20T07:47:17.000Z

Bye the way. Sync Gen doesn’t compensate any latency of your system it just produce an ultra stable midi clock!

Mindseye_robot · 2014-04-20T09:26:16.000Z

ive just been struggling with possibly a similar issue to this after my sync gen just rocked up a couple of days ago.

the issue i was having was that i wanted to use scene mode in ableton to be able to record loops from MD and A4 on the fly. but even though the sync clock was perfectly tight with the the ableton clock when using direct monitoring (ie listening to MD and A4 from soundcard pre-ableton). ableton was still recording some latency in the loops.

solution that is working best for me now is:
-ensure ‘monitor’ is off in the ableton tracks recording signal
-use an ableton track to sample the sync gen pulse (with no track delay in the sync gen software) - so a perfectly aligned sample of the pulse.)
-then adjust abletons track delay to negative whatever until loops are recording perfectly in sync.

the 2 key factors here are:
-having the monitor set to off means ableton will slide track to match track delay offset - it doesnt do this if you have monitoring to ‘in’ or ‘auto’. note that with this method you need to have a soundcard that allows direct monitoring which i think OP does (i have rme ufx)

-and the reason i sample the pulse instead of use the sync gen software is that i find when using ableton scene mode it responds to its own native track delay better. i find the sync gen software will compress the timing between first and second beat to adjust for the track delay, while ableton track delay will offset from the start. also chopping, warping and gating the pulse signal can lead to some killer breakbeat splicing effects… so in this case ableton + sync gen is an epic combo.

not sure its the same issue you have been having, but might help

fer2009 · 2016-12-14T21:54:13.593Z

Yes similar worked to me, no need of sampling the Sync Gen track, the little off set is nice to me to make the thing´s groove, anyway it is all about trial and error a swing in AR or OT or MD i guess also can cause troubles, the best to me is to record straight, for the music i do it´s working cause i get the groove from envelopes and mostly by ear without quantizing, that´s not mean after a second listening i´ll not retouch some notes. but very happy with Sync Gen works lot better than OB from which i don’t like the sound i get in the recordings. for those who use UFX or Orion and any kind of DSP audio card take care with the routing of your ins and out, some experience a buzz from the track which contain Sync Gen it is cause the internal routing of the DSP sound card is not well done, the out of Sync must to go only to the CYNQ-
LOCK

PlumWrinkles · 2016-12-14T21:59:14.939Z

not sure if it was pointed out already, but I’m in a hurry today so i can’t check all replies…

the “overall Latency” in your ableton preferences is 9.81ms.
click the box above where it says “driver error compensation” and type “-9.81ms” and push enter.

lemme know what that did for ya.

…oops, LoL. this was a problem in 2014.

fer2009 · 2016-12-14T22:11:56.300Z

edited error compensation is for typing the sound card latency error if Ableton can´t detect it well, not the entire path around the DAW and CPU IMO which in the photo is 9.81 ms, just tested and that not work. it works well leaving this case at 0 if you have not measured yet your system latency and your test report something different that what Ableton indicates (9.81)