Analog Rytm Vs Machinedrum

Elektron Gear Analog Rytm
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[quote=“” jonah""]
you can use multiple machines tuned differently and then use the ctrl-all to transpose them all at once? :slight_smile:
it would be a cool feature though if you could play the pitch control with the trigs or something, it doesn’t respond to MIDI notes does it?

the way the nord drum 2 does tuned percussion is very cool. i’d like to see them one up clavia. :imp:
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Unfortunately the MD doesn’t respond to MIDI note. I very excited about that feature implemented in the AR. Tuned percussions is such a great approach. I love my MD and I hope one day elektron gives us that gift. Till then I’ll be steady P’locking. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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This is an annoyance to be sure. One reason I can think of is that as some of the machines are tunable to standard pitches while others are not, HQ figured the space in the OS was better allocated elsewhere. Or, once the UW models came out, possibly they thought making easy melodies with the MD would be too much overlap with the MnM. Who knows.
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Ya a lot of people seem to think that elektron purposely omits certain features (no midi sequencers on the AR A4) to ensure healthy sales of there other products. In this case I wouldn’t see to overlap between MD and the MnM. MD can’t touch the MnM in the terms of synthesis. I will say this the MD offers the most bang for your buck. 16 tracks, six individual outs, two analog inputs, and midi sequencing. The list goes on. What a machine! I can’t imagine how scary good the AR is going to be.

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Although I’m excited to get the AR soon (on preorder), I’ve had hesitations about it. I think the AR will sound really good at what it does (analog drums), but I’m afraid it won’t be as good as something like the MD at synthesizing “other” sounds.

With all the different machines and synthesis types in the MD, all types of sounds can be synthesized. I doubt any of the AR’s analog drum sounds will be able to create a pad sound, or a good lead like the MD can.

I’m really hoping that the bassdrum machines of the AR (FM, and Ring-mod) are capable of a wide pallette; from demos, it doesn’t seem so though.

I’m curious to see what Elektron has in store for the AR. My wish is that they look at it as a potential standalone device for a lot of users, and really expand it’s sound-creation abilities as well as MIDI-out capabilities.

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[quote=“” Prints""]
Although I’m excited to get the AR soon (on preorder), I’ve had hesitations about it. I think the AR will sound really good at what it does (analog drums), but I’m afraid it won’t be as good as something like the MD at synthesizing “other” sounds.

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Did you see the synth structure of the AR? Maybe a snapshot of the LCD?

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No drum machine will be better or replace the MD. It’s a really unique piece of drum synth. Even if it lakes few things in it, the people here know what.

I have others, but this one surclass all of them. So intuitive, so well equiped.

It wil be a “must to have” in the future, and that’s not a question of monetary value nor snob’ one, but just because it is very powerfull.

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…and we all know that the rytm machine is all ready laking some substantial equipement. And it will be the same than MD.

No gear producer seems be hable, or decided, to give us the ultimate drum machine. So we’ll have to make choices or spend much more money and have multiple drum machine sets. But the dream to have a all in one ultimate MD or rytm is… A dream

Such a shame.

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^ aside from a good midi sequencer there realy isn’t much els Id like RYTM to do as a drum machine… At least I can’t think of anything that can’t change with an update… Even actual sampling. Who knows. I can see RYTM and MD working well together if your percussion needs are realy that extensive. :slight_smile:

Excited now to hear real world first impressions before I grab one in a month or 2, or when demand dies down (realistically)

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^ i do agree with you about the Rytm.

About my drum needs, shurly i would find the two side by side as a kind of upsized drum set. Even if it could be nice performance.

But , i have a problem… I really like the drum machines. I am a bit addict to them. So the idea of having a Rytm has make is nest in my mind, i feel it growing… :wink:

But i won’t ever sell my MD, am in :heart: With it. So…

I will, like a spider, wait the first nerd to sell his Rytm, and jump on it :alien:

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Putting myself in their shoes

I would fear the AR to cannibalize the MD sales, as the A4 with the MM. I would take away some functionnalities for a period of time as a test range to see what happens with legacy gears.

Then I would decide what’s next for the MD & MM : Retire or Refresh the digital line? I already have plans for these (and billions of posts on boards if I had no idea…).

Therefore I would have no interest in advertising midi control or anything else in my sleeve that is implemented in the MD & MM.

I have 2-3 machines in R&D, Overbridge, software/VST, OS updates, more and more clients busting my balls over the net, I am pretty stacked for quite some time! And then, I have billions of posts on boards if I had no idea what to do next…

My modo : less is more.

I am Elektron and this is my design.

:smiley:

My favourite artists use

  • TR-606/808/909, TB-303, SH-101, MS-20, MPC’s, Moog, and so on… Very specific and specialised tools.

Having 3 SFF boxes like AR-A4-OT that offers :

  • 8 analog synth drum + samples
  • 4 analog synth
  • 8 samples tracks + 8 midi tracks

or 2 SFF boxes like MD-MM :

  • 16 tracks of multi VA drum synth + samples + midi control
  • 6 tracks of multi VA synth + user waves + midi control

I feel spoiled… even if they are not “ultimate”. How many are willing to take a single purpose TR for the price of a multi purpose Elektron?

Concerning Digital vs Analog I tend to see the matter as Digital painting vs Oil painting. Different tools, with different feeling and textures… One can get close to oil painting with Photoshop, but really I think we should take tools for what it is and their strong points, exploring possibilities of the medium and their limits.

To summup

I think we will get midi control and more sonic possibilities as HQ tends to be secretive (see overbridge or +drive on A4) on both analog machines, in time… Both AR and MD are drum machines but with different sound sources/medium (altough AR is sale as drum computer, what does it mean if it means anything?).

I have the MD and never fully used the 16 tracks for drum purpose, at least 4 tracks are used for controlling. Never used it alone, always Layering with drums from OT (or MPC or MM). 8 analog voices will be enough for my needs, adding samples on top of that (with overdrive and compressor) is the cherry on the cake.

I am quite intrigued by the FM/Ring mod bass drums. What does it say about the AR’s futur?..

This is my plan :

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Sorry MD, I always loved oil painting… :wink:

PS : Like shoes, one can never have “too many drum machines”!

Cheers

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La vache, t’y vas pas avec le dos de la cuillère !

Haha, yes i do agree with your point of view.
Except for the analog vision pf things,

Let’s take things as they are…

But i do love purple shoes. :wink:

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PS : Like shoes, one can never have “too many drum machines”!

+1 :+1:

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Meuuuh-sieur vache? Le post est trop long? Le rig overkill? :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

Feel free to develop your POV about analog, always interested in reading others thought. :wink:

It wasn’t a troll state of mind though. As a youngster I started with a Roland MC-303, then a Quasimidi 309, then an Elektron MD… I see a pattern, let’s face it : I always wanted a real analog drum machine with digital control! AR seems a logical choice to me! :smiley:

HA HA I don’t know why I thought about the shoes analogy… But I think it is appropriate somehow… In terms of addiction! :wink:

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In fact i don’t have a specific point o view for the discussion analo/digital, i like the two. It’s like modular/non modular thing. As you said, take the things for what they are :slight_smile:

I like the way you present difference between analog/digital. This POV might be improved, because i think that the difference is more relative to the material use to provide the color of the paint than to the brush tool … :sleepy:

And i would afford bla bla bla. Sorry for this autocritic posture, but i read what i wrote and i find it like 2 AM pub philosophy

Finaly, the most important remain in the work wich is proposed to public.

P. s. : the oto biscuit filter is digital gear, no ? :wink:

Edit :

Sorry for turning the post into another subject, maybe my last post should have been in general discussion.

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I’m gassing for an AR but i sold my MD once and got it back just when the AR was announced. I think they are completly different machines with a different workflow. Love the sound of the fm BD but for me working with scenes in the OT is enough “performance” Style for me. Something like the Ctl-Al machine or ctl-8 is something i would miss. Realtime action is cool but the naughtiest loops i got developed from using these machine. (Kind of sequencable scenes for me)

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i am a huge Hannibal Fan! but I hate the shows sound design … maybe you know what I am talking about and could help me …
how would I use my OT MD or A4 as an external sound processor to limit or compress the sound?
thanks!
started another thread already… no response though
http://www.elektronauts.com/t/limiter-ot-md-a4-kp3-hannibal-thewanshow/4953/41900

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@Elenacortes : don’t need to excuse yourself, a little digression doesn’t hurt anyone, and the digital/analog is kind of relevant in the “MD vs AR” subject as far as I know… The topic will back on track without a doubt! We are here to share, right?

Finally, the most important remain in the work wich is proposed to public

Agreed. Still, we all have our weapons of choice. :wink:

<3 The OTO Biscuit is a cute little box of digital processing and analog filters love! <3 (oh so cheesy ha ha) See, I like it both ways!.. hum… Talking about sound hey!

I adore my (digital) Nord Modular G2!!! Will never sell it. EVER!
Perfect fit to the Elektrons… Looking forward to mate the Analogs with it.

@TrabanT : I don’t dislike the sound design work of Hannibal technically, but I find it overwhelming, sometimes I wish it just stop and let the actors express themselves.

Not sure what you are trying to achieve. As far as I know, if you watch the show on TV, they have a bunch of processors to pump the sound over the original video they diffuse, dunno if it qualifies as a “french touch”… A few years back I visited a friend working in a national TV and they seem to work the sound like radio station : big pumping sound. Someone correct me if I’m wrong…

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Does the Analog Rytm have the same or equivalent feature to the Machinedrum’s function + classic/extended method of reverting back to your original kit presets after you have made parameter changes?

This machinedrum feature is demonstrated and discussed at 9:30 of this video:

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If you take a look at the rytm’s (or a4’s) front panel, you can see that theres that button beneath the display which is labeled “No/Reload”.
The Reload function on a4 and rytm is even more refined than on MD, as you can reload the kit, sound, pattern or track with the combination of [No/Reload] + kit/sound/track/etc.
All of that is in the manual.

Edit: The same goes for saving data with the [Yes/Save] button. Believe me, i got all of the elektron boxes, and i must say the interface on the A4 and Rytm is even better than on MD, especially in a live context. There are many other things improved on the analog series, besides reloading and saving (like the copy/paste/clear functionality).

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^^ this procedure is specific to the MD.

but i think that in AR the scenes are made to reach the same functionality. Same with the MnM where you can do the same by reloàding the kit. It’s a little less easy but effective.

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No it’s not. No/Reload + kit accomplishes the same result on the AR and A4.