I think the main killer features for me are the individual track lengths, integration of samples, and the cymbal generation method (which I was hoping would be implemented)
Personally I do not like heavily compressed and overdriven stuff, but that can all be turned off anyway, I think it does make sense for the overdrive and compession to be shown in the demos, and I think that is why some of the dynamic range seems a bit less than I like, if we know anything at all about Elektron it is that the machines are broad and deep, so it is probably possible to make it the machine you want it to be.
A powerful Kick is typically dependent on compression, which the RYTM doesn’t have. RYTM only has stereo compression on the Mix.
Nah. It’s nothing to do with that. The MD delivers fantastic kicks, with or without compression. My point was just the sound - nothing remotely like a lovely round,smooth classic Roland kick in there.
As Daren says though - that’s not to say it can’t be done. I bet it can - but I’m personally a bit wary due to my disappointment with the A4 … & it sounds like the analogue circuits are probably very similar. But I’ll wait until you early adopter cats start hammering out some fantastic stuff to make my mind up.
The thing that really struck me was how well the individual sounds sat together!
Incalculable hours in front of an oscilloscope/analyser/phase meter I’ll bet
I always felt the MD kicks missed something. Especially when listening thru earbuds, the MD kicks were really hollow and empty. These AR kicks sound alot better to me.
These demos sound excellent to me. Really show of the synth in a tasteful way. I like the kicks!!! Was happy my Gas for this thing subsided after the initial hype, but these demos have me really wanting this thing. It’s out of my league price wise, but I have it in my sights for the future once again!
I agree on Sloopy Fluff. When that distortion(?) kicks in at 0:31 the world around me starts going fuzzy.
I don’t have much experience with other kinds of kicks but I like it. I don’t find it as intrusive as other kicks (808); as if they gave as much clout to the kick as every other instrument (edit: re: other people mentioning how well they go together - couldn’t agree more; it’s really quite nice). But again that may just be my inexperience in working with other kicks and just listening to the demos.
Either way: this thing sounds amazing and seems to have incredible potential. Want.
Sounds great! I was slightly worried when I listened at work on my crappy handsfree headset, lol, I should know better by now!
Listening at home now, and yup, the AR is da biz! The tuned percs, hats, cymbals, fx’ish stuff is awesome. Not too worried about kicks - I’m sure we’ll hear some ridonculous kicks out of this thing too. This thing is more than a drum machine!!
Pretty exciting stuff… Sounding real good to me… I could see why some people are a little disappointed by the kicks… until I heard the demos like “Dubstep?” with a nice crack at the beginning of the drum to add a bit of definition to go with that weight…
I’m a little bit dissapointed that they used “Gentle Limiting” (“Gentle” and “Limiting” don’t really belong in the same sentence…) to “balance the volumes of different audio clips”… we’re talking drums here… that punch and dynamic range is a huge deal… I would much rather any compensation that needs to be done to keep a balance be done within the unit…
Or, keep the unit at max volume, but then render them all out at the same average level instead of using compression… Not to say i’m “anti compression” as a rule… it just doesn’t lend itself to listening tests very well…
Or uhh…. you know, we could just reach out and turn the volume knob ourselves…
For the matter… letting us download the WAV/FLAC/Whatever rather than making us stream it at low resolution from Soundcloud would of been a nice touch… almost a bit rude that they didn’t really.
I’m buying this unit for the experience as a whole rather than a desire for an “amazing analogue sound” (mind you I’m expecting to be impressed here also…) but it seems like a company that makes musical instruments should know enough to put up some truly clean material….
I agree with Xmit - the MD kicks can be fantastic, and like him I tend to favour round and smooth kicks, too much harmonics and it loses the energy for me.
But if the kick was mixed louder than everything and then limited you can still compress mostly just the kick… that’s why it’s so frustrating, you can’t really tell.
I’m hoping that the sounds that share a voice don’t choke each other, like CY/CB and RS/CP, I can’t really tell from the specs. Obviously CH/OH should choke and having MT/HT choke shouldn’t be a problem (for me), and I could probably manage RS/CP choking. Having the cymbal choke seems weird, I would want that to fade out completely.
Hopefully with samples you can mix one sample with the CY sound and another sample with the CB sound, even though they share the same “voice,” the shared voices, in theory, could be two-note polyphonic (for the samples, it’s just DSP code) and not monophonic, they would just share the same filter, etc…
Ideally, I would like the option of using 12 samples assigned to each of the pads with only the CH/OH choking, if I chose to use all samples and no analog synthesis. Again, I think I could creatively work around the choking if the voices are monophonic, a drummer only has two hands and two feet.
Hoping this is the place to mix and match analog sounds and samples like it seems to be…???
Pretty sure they’ll offer amp envelope shapes on the kick that give the same result as running it through a compressor, just like the ones available on the A4.
The BD, SD, and RS/CP voices all have a drum sound generator that is basically a small but very flexible dual-oscillator synthesizer capable of a wide array of percussive and electronic sounds. In addition to this, the RS/CP voice has a special circuitry for rimshot synthesis.
The BT voice has a resonant single-oscillator percussion sound generator capable of deep toms and classic boomy bass drum sounds.
The LT and MT/HT voices also have resonant single-oscillator percussion sound generators, but of a more general percussion nature.
The CH/OH voice has a six-oscillator metallic sound generator with several different synthesis methods for creating hihat sounds.
The CY/CB voice also has a six-oscillator metallic sound generator, but with several methods of synthesizing cymbals and cowbells.
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okay thanks
why they put that in the faq and not in the specs is still baffling?
