Analog Mixer and Audio Interface?

Probably whatever the promoter provides based on the list of his specs. Few live techno acts travel with a mixer.

In this case, a Venice Midas.
Appears to be the 240 model[/quote]
Yeah he can’t be too familiar with that mixer because he is constantly touching knobs but not doing anything. Must be confused :sleepy:

This is probably stating the extremely obvious but I suppose he’s just tweaking fine elements of each track to make them stand out in mix more, he seems to do that a LOT?.. and using the mixer aux sends/returns to fuck with the eventide (and other) fx pedals he has attached.
I think he’s great. Much more entertaining to see someone continually fucking around with gear than smoking cigarettes and chatting to the crowd:)

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Probably whatever the promoter provides based on the list of his specs. Few live techno acts travel with a mixer.

In this case, a Venice Midas.
Appears to be the 240 model[/quote]
Yeah he can’t be too familiar with that mixer because he is constantly touching knobs but not doing anything. Must be confused :sleepy: [/quote]
Totally agree with you. I believe he’s doing a fine polish in his beats… never saw this Boiler room video… love this guy…

Man, liked this idea…

So, this is not a NOOB question ( hypothetical situation).

Let’s pretend I have a friend who has a setup like OT, AR TR8 and MPC500.

If he hook up everything in the OT,and then in the AI, he can record all the tracks right?

But the drawback is I will not able to record the tracks alone… just as a Master track, right?

hahahah so humor in the topic! :slight_smile:

I have MM, MD, A4, OT, Sub Phatty and Buchla Easel all on separate balanced inputs to this setup. I also have outputs from the 18i20 running into MM, MD, A4 and OT for sampling from anywhere, without needing to wrap my head around a patchbay.

I run Maschine standalone out through my old NI AK-1 audio interface and into two more channels on the 18i20. Oh and the old mixer with turntable and AT2020 microphone also goes into both the 18i20 and the AK-1 for sampling to Maschine or other samplers.

MIDI clock master is OT, iConnectMIDI4+ handles all MIDI routing.

Atebit, out of curiosity, why don’t you also have maschine running from the 18i20? why use the old NI AI?

Also, this post has me thinking your set up is where I’m heading to soon.

I ended up with a Soundcraft epm12 along with my 18i20 for some (lousy) reason.

There is probably a better way to do this but I like to keep things simple for my brain during creative process.

So my thinking works like this:

  • I record all of my instruments on separate tracks in Reason 6.5
  • Everything that I play (and then record) gets routed into the Scarlett 18i20 (and Behringer ADA8200)
  • Maschine is one of my ‘external instruments’ - I think of it as though it was running on a separate computer, use it mostly from the Maschine I hardware and in my head it is an instrument (very full-featured) just like all of my hardware instruments
  • ergo, it runs out of a separate audio interface (AK-1) and gets routed on balanced inputs INTO the Scarlett

I think of this setup like a ‘looping paradise’. Instead of trying to escape the creative trap of just jamming out on a single loop - I have embraced it. On hardware I can have 34 differing loops/tracks at once that can all be realtime tweaked, muted etc…and if I want more/different, I can add unlimited with the Maschine 2 software…and more inside Reason itself if I want to. So I can create all these bits and pieces that work with each other, riff out on a single loop for hours and then when I have lots of bits that can be tweaked etc in realtime, hit record and lay down to 6 stereo + 1 mono track in Reason.

This setup gives me the ability to apply Reason effects (which I love) on any of those tracks while jamming, or post.

Before this I was recording to stereo - using a similar concept but everything was routed to the OT and then tracked in stereo to Reason. All that left me to do was chop out repetitive sections (where I hadn’t done much tweaking at that point) and do some mix/master treatment of the stereo track. Now I can chop up the parts and do some arrangement/construction with them after recording (yet to give this a really good workout but it works in my head).

Now, if I wanted to fork out cash for another DAW and get away from Reason, I could of course route more separate Maschine tracks (I do have the option to export those as audio if needs be) and I could do this using the Maschine VSTi instead of standalone. And having tried this once or twice with Ableton Live Lite and Reaper trial, I know I can wrap my head around it. But I just love the modular nature of Reason, that tab button and the routing options are still unsurpassed IMHO. I love the Reason mixer almost as much as my Easel and I love the look and feel of Reason, with all this hardware around me, it feels ‘right’ to use the old-fashioned rack concept of Reason.

I think Logic is about the only DAW I haven’t tried at some point…but that’s 200 bills and probably some learning curve.

I looked at many many mixers for a very long time - none had enough stereo inputs (I have a Soundcraft Compact 10 which has 6, most I could find and that’s what I used before upgrading to the Scarlett w/ Reason as my main mixer) and they all take up too much space. This way I got all the I/O and routing I wanted and it only needed two racks worth of space - fits easily on a shelf tucked out of the way. I have enough instruments to tweak without feeling like I need the hands-on aspect of a physical mixer.

I hope this lengthy post answers the question :joy:

If there is a neater/better/cleaner or just alternative way to do this routing or anything you think I should try I am very keen to hear it.

After months and months and months of thinking, drawing routings etc. I finally feel like I have all of my audio and all of my MIDI going pretty seamlessly where I want it to go as soon as I fire everything up…and almost no gearlust (even AR isn’t really tempting because it is so damn expensive) now to spend some more time jamming with all these fun toys and lay down some more recordings - I love jogging to my own tunes (ok, to one or two tunes I recorded that I play on repeat a lot…)

I would not recommend an analog mixer with USB(-recording mode) for your purpose, cause your requirements on recording will raise soon with this setup of maschines. You will need a flexible routing (subs to the OT i.e.) without much plugging, best audio quality with low latency, virtual in and outs and several aux-busses for external effects.

Even with a capable DAW it makes a lot of fun to route your gear almost on the fly.

Have a look at this one here:

http://www.presonus.com/products/StudioLive-16.0.2

Street prices are not so far away from analog mixers. I used a Scarlett 18i6 for several years, at least with an Ocotpre as an extension. It caused much traffic on USB and I had always too little ports…

I went recently a bit more compact setup with Behringer X-Air XR18

Using A4+Rytm+BSII+Modular.

Were also considering Presonus and other full desktop mixers, but went this way anyway. Really happy with it, sound quality especially. Using it mostly for standalone jamming without computer, but multitracking to DAW was essential for me. Using iPad as control surface isn’t as nice as real controls but it will do.

I am growing tired of my good old Alesis 12 FireWire (more than 12 yo and still rocking)

It’s pretty cool to be able to record 14 channels at the same time but…

  • I want more channels to be able to record my tracks separately. Let’s say around 18 or better 24.
  • I want more and better quality Aux sends. 3 stereo would be cool : would make it possible to use 2 of them for different FX chains and one for sampling in OT
  • I want quality converters. I’ve been blown by what my H4n could do, pretty impressive !

Analog mixer + audio interface seems a good combo to me.
What would you advise nowadays ?
QuPac is tempting but I’m afraid it won’t last long…
I believe an analog mixer would be better to avoid unneeded AD/DA conversion when using the Aux…

I am not very informed on the matter : mind enlightening me?

i would suggest stay with the Alesis 12, or if very committed to reinvesting, keep with Firewire or Thunderbolt, as those protocols are better suited to avoiding jitter than usb is.

I can highly recommend Speck Electronics X.sum mixer and their new analog mixer viafader looks pretty awesome

http://www.speck.com/xsum/xsum.html

And this one

http://www.speck.com/viafader/viafader.html

U cant go wrong with Speck

I have the X.sum and that i use with a RME UFX+ and i couldnt be any happier with that combo…truely awesome