Analog Four or MonoMachine?

tsv · 2014-01-07T18:24:46.000Z

""clockrva"":

another perhaps-ridiculous question:

both units have a “free play” mode in which you can record a finger-played sequence w/ optional quantization, right ?

The mono cannot. It always quantized to 16th notes. There are ways of messing with the swing trigs to adjust the feel.
The A4 quantize can be turned off. You also have micro timing adjust per trig.

guga · 2014-01-07T19:06:47.000Z

""tsv"":

[quote=“clockrva”]another perhaps-ridiculous question:

both units have a “free play” mode in which you can record a finger-played sequence w/ optional quantization, right ?

The mono cannot. It always quantized to 16th notes. There are ways of messing with the swing trigs to adjust the feel.
The A4 quantize can be turned off. You also have micro timing adjust per trig. [/quote]
micro timing would be great on the MnM, that’s one of the features i miss…

dubathonic · 2014-01-07T19:11:33.000Z

""clockrva"":

since most A4 & MnM users create “songs” on their devices, can a track’s voice change throughout a song ? … just for example, if i’m making a 10-bar song, can i: use sound XY on Track 1 for the first 5 bars, then go to sound YZ on the last 5 bars - while still on Track 1 ? i guess i should say i’m wondering if you have to stay with the same sound per track for each song. i know p-controls can let you vary sounds greatly w/in a track …

One of the options on the MnM mk2 is wavetable synthesis, which you may know already from the manual as the DigiPro machines. You can load the waves of your choice into memory quite easily, and if you get a new unit – something I’d recommend – its plus drive will give you thousands of wave slots (though admittedly you can only access 64 waves at a time).

One of the p-lockable parameters is the wave a particular note is based on. So on a single track, you can build each note from a different wave if you like. You can also build a note by combining two waves, with plockable parameters to control how one morphs into the other, how they balance relative to each other, etc. And aiming LFOs at these parameters is a blast

Purusha · 2014-01-07T20:06:34.000Z

""tsv"":

[quote=“Purusha”]A quick question whilst we’re on the subject…

Do the A4’s inputs use voice slots / tracks?

In other words, if I were to mix a delay send on a mixer and send it into the A4, would I lose and A4 track?

The ext ins do not use up voices if you want to send to the reverb, chorus or delay. If you wanted to access the filters then yes you need to give up voices by setting the osc to external input. [/quote]
That’s excellent news!

Thanks!

It theoretically means I don’t have to take my TC reverb and delay units out to gigs.

tsv · 2014-01-07T21:37:23.000Z

""Purusha"":

[quote=“tsv”][quote=“Purusha”]A quick question whilst we’re on the subject…

Do the A4’s inputs use voice slots / tracks?

In other words, if I were to mix a delay send on a mixer and send it into the A4, would I lose and A4 track?

The ext ins do not use up voices if you want to send to the reverb, chorus or delay. If you wanted to access the filters then yes you need to give up voices by setting the osc to external input. [/quote]
That’s excellent news!

Thanks!

It theoretically means I don’t have to take my TC reverb and delay units out to gigs.

:)[/quote]
There’s no pre fader send on the A4 Ext so you can’t get 100% wet for your effects sends but you can make it work i’m sure.

Daisuk · 2014-01-07T21:47:15.000Z

I love both to bits, but I think the sonic range of the Monomachine is just extraordinary. I sometimes bump into “sameish”-sounds when making random patches on the A4, while I hardly ever do that when using the similar approach with the MnM. It depends on what kind of music you want to make though. If weirdness and glitched out space-fuckery is your thing, then MnM all the way. If you can’t make a good patch on the MnM, to whoever said he couldn’t, you’re just not aiming weird enough.

If I HAD to choose … I’d get both.

clockrva · 2014-01-08T03:20:50.000Z

so excited right now… figure that either way you can’t lose…

but i like WEIRD.
crisp.
haunting.
clicky.
glitchy.
reverby.
FM bells.
bass-heavy.
rippy.

PeterHanes · 2014-01-08T04:03:48.000Z

""clockrva"":

i’m new to Elektron instruments and am torn b/w these 2 units. i intend one of them to be the “brain” of my work station which also includes a Kawai K4 (early 90’s digital synth used for noises and pads) & a Yamaha TX81Z (because i love FM synthesis).

If, by “brain of my work station”, you mean MIDI sequencing of the K4 and TX81Z, then the Monomachine is the one to choose.

The Monomachine is old enough that there are some incredible bargains available second-hand and, if you didn’t like it you could sell it on without losing any money.

Just to sway you further:

clockrva · 2014-01-08T13:58:13.000Z

seems like i could really get my Nitzer Ebb on with the MnM !!!

I could just hook up my midi kybd to the MnM and play it just like this guy’s doing, right ?

emnine · 2014-01-08T14:16:40.000Z

""clockrva"":

I could just hook up my midi kybd to the MnM and play it just like this guy’s doing, right ?

Affirmative.

clockrva · 2014-01-08T15:56:45.000Z

few questions i thought up:

can i set each step’s note velocity on the MnM ?

what exactly is a userwave and how does it pertain to the latest version of the MnM ?

does the MnM possess an “infinite” reverb or anything close in terms of decay ?

tsv · 2014-01-08T16:10:46.000Z

[quote=“” clockrva""]
few questions i thought up:

can i set each step’s note velocity on the MnM ?

what exactly is a userwave and how does it pertain to the latest version of the MnM ?

does the MnM possess an “infinite” reverb or anything close in terms of decay ?

[/quote]

Yes you can p lock the volume parameter on each step
A user wave is a single cycle waveform that can be loaded into a MKII and used in two of the DigiPro machines. You can load 64 available at one time. These can be AKWF or ones you make yourself etc.
I’ll have to check on the reverb. I have not used it much.

clockrva · 2014-01-08T16:43:18.000Z

^ thanks !

i gotta seek out how these are made & what they sound like…

tsv · 2014-01-08T16:45:50.000Z

Just checked out the reverb. Its based on the Gatebox reverb of the MD. At full decay it’s only a couple seconds max. Much better suited for ambience and gated effects.

The A4 reverb on the other hand can. As I mentioned before I usually have one of the MNM’s aux channels going through the A4 effects.

Purusha · 2014-01-08T16:59:56.000Z

[quote=““tsv””]

Purusha:

That’s excellent news!

Thanks!

It theoretically means I don’t have to take my TC reverb and delay units out to gigs.

There’s no pre fader send on the A4 Ext so you can’t get 100% wet for your effects sends but you can make it work i’m sure. [/quote]
That’s a shame.

Feature request then!

tsv · 2014-01-08T17:28:44.000Z

""Purusha"":

[quote=“tsv”][quote=“Purusha”]
That’s excellent news!

Thanks!

It theoretically means I don’t have to take my TC reverb and delay units out to gigs.

There’s no pre fader send on the A4 Ext so you can’t get 100% wet for your effects sends but you can make it work i’m sure. [/quote]
That’s a shame.

Feature request then!

:)[/quote]
Yes! It would be a worthwhile addition.

dirtydata · 2014-01-08T19:56:26.000Z

I also own both machines and use them a lot. Whatever the choice of the TS may be, it will be a good one.
The only disadvantage of the MmM I think is the lack of individual steplenght per track.
I still hope Elektron will add this functionality in a future update.

clockrva · 2014-01-09T12:59:07.000Z

it seems like Elektron is really good about updating their gear and listening to users’ requests, but i’d be very surprised if they made any more updates to the MnM. i’m kind of amazed it can do all it can for being over 10yrs “old”.

this’ll easily be one of the toughest gear choices to make and i can see why most Elektron users have 2 or more pieces of kit.

OSCar · 2014-01-09T13:29:30.000Z

If you could get both that would be the optimal option seeing as they do sound quite superb side by side and compliment each other in ways that are not so apparently obvious without experiencing it in person.
Love both of mine to pieces.

clockrva · 2014-01-14T15:10:20.000Z

any new insight ?

still torn on these two and only about $100-200 away from having the funds in place; eager to get started.

i must confess i’ve been listening to more A4 samples than the MnM, but perhaps that’s just b/c more exist ?