Not sure how techy you are but this guy installed a tilted screen on his force. Outside of my abilities though.
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Thatās the thing. Iāve got another OT to spice things up a bit. To force me out of my usuals ways of working, but Iād still like the Mpc or Force to provide a bit more standard utility. A safety blanket in reality.
The Force was more exciting than the Mpc, and in some way I saw it as a bridge between the Mpc Live and OT.
The Force wasnāt as slick or eloquent as the OT but I found itās performative aspects more interesting than the Live. So Iām stuck in that regard. Mpc X seems like a more complete and solid standalone box but the Force is playful.
Maybe in that regard thereās more overlap with the OT and Force.
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Thatās certainly personal preference. I find the Force leagues ahead as far as slickness and eloquence is concerned - especially with the Clip Launch approach to production. None of Elektronās workflow can match that, IMHO.
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I didnāt explain that well.
I meant in the sense of the OTās fluidity with sample manipulation, LFOās etc.
Not so much in the way it puts everything together. Because in reality I much prefer the Force/Mpc environment for making tracks.
The more I think about this the more I realise that in my situation Iād probably be better of using the OT to create content for the Mpc or Force, which is probably the other way round for most people with that particular combo.
I sold my Force. The thing was too physically huge.
I would buy like a shot if they brought out something smaller and simpler for collecting audio loops and assembling them into arrangements. Thatās a huge gap in the market for all the people with lots of hardware sound generating tools IMHO.
Also I found it annoying that it couldnāt send audio to pc over USB in the way that you can on mc707/overbridge/etc
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I completely forgot about the master pad clips ( or however they are called) basically automation clips you can record and launch from the 64 pads in the master view. How is this not advertised more???
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I wish theyād expand that by letting me step sequencer my macros on the pad step sequencer. Like p-locking.
Hold a pad, turn a knob.
Also, Iād love to be able to engage momentary macros by inserting a step in the sequencer.
Iāve got an Mpc Live 1 Iāve never used (also have the force). Never got round to selling it. PM if youāre interested and can sort you out a good price & a pint 
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Cheers buddy, much appreciated!
Got to think this through properly. I mentioned that if this round of gear doesnāt work out then Iām out for good. Too old to be going round in the same circles again and again.
But beers are always welcome.
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Anyone using the Force just as a sequencer for external synths and drum machines?
Maybe I have watched too much GAS Therapy videos but isnāt that called a DAW on a small laptop? 
If the goal is to only play sampled loops and one wants something small you donāt need much more than koala on a tablet or dedicated smartphone.
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I use it to sequence the Microfreak and to sync to the Syntakt
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My BlackBox does that nicely.
I actually think my Force is too small. Iād want it a but wider, with more knob, some sliders, and extra function buttons. Iād make it deeper as well, with the Xās 10 inch tilt screen, and maybe a pull out keyboard for naming projects and samples.
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I do use it as an sequencer for external synths. I do not sequence external drum machines that often, but i have tried it. I use it as a central hub for all my gear.
But i do use the audio clip feature often. It is so easy to use so i sample loops and longer sequences from my synths to be able to use them for different sounds. You are missing out if you dont use those features.
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I feel the same way. hehe. Would love a āForce Xā with 16 q-links and more buttons. And more outputs. I know i can get around that with using a usb audio interface, but i would like to just have the outputs on the box itself.
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100 euro price increase on Thomannā¦ in other places even 250ā¦ 
Whoa! Thatās new to me, and huge. You can use a submix to separate a filter cutoff pattern from a note pattern - with different pattern lengths - and use the step sequencer to easily lock the values to the grid. And then swap between multiple effect patterns while the main pattern plays on.
Like a spoiled child I already wish you could launch multiple clips on the same track at once, but this is still a big revelation, so thanks for pointing it out. Since you can have an independent automation lane on the track, one on a submix and one on the output (and also on each of the sends), there some great scope for semi-generative exploration.
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Interesting. Do you have any YT link to demo this feature ? Iām still learning, the Force is deeeep.
No thanks, just name your first born after me.
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Afraid not at the moment, but itās an easy setup to try out once you know how to get it set up.
Probably the easiest way is to record a loop of any kind on track 1, go into the mixer and set the output of the track to submix 1.
Then switch to Master view, go to Mixer > Effects and add a filter to submix 1. So this is now filtering your loop from track 1.
Still in Master view, go to the matrix and create a new clip under submix 1.
Thatās most of the work done - you can now record automation for the filter into the submix 1 clip, independent of the audio clip on track 1. Because the loops are independent, you can set them to different lengths and have them play against each other. You can also create several different filter loops under submix 1 and switch between them while the loop on track 1 is playing.
Hopefully that makes sense. Itās a pretty basic example that could be handled in other ways (eg with an LFO), but once you have the method sorted you can start to set up more complex arrangements using any of the effects.
Iām not really set up for a video at the moment but I could certainly take some photos if anythingās unclearā¦
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