After months the forum is still very, VERY slow

guga · 2014-07-15T14:56:20.000Z

i can confirm things have slowed down a tiny bit…and this regardless of connection speed, which, for a forum with text on most of the pages, shouldn’t be an issue (anyone ever been on a 2400 or even a 600 baud modem? wellll…that’s a slow connection mate! )
in the past couple of weeks i got ‘connection timed out’ few times and pages won’t load as fast as they used to do.
other sites do open at a normal speed so i guess something on the hosting server is not as smooth as it used to be…anything to do with the kitchens?

edit: for those who want to know more about modems

bluewolfse7en · 2014-07-15T17:17:53.000Z

It’s just taken me 20mins to get on. Server timeouts etc… Sequentix & Muffs are flying so it’s not at my end!
iPad/Safari

Steevyhead · 2014-07-15T17:28:04.000Z

this site is pretty slow. I work in IT, we have an extremely fast trunk line into our building and this site timed out most of the day today when I went to it.

Smoof · 2014-07-15T17:30:08.000Z

The forum is quite slow for me also.

poonti · 2014-07-15T17:52:57.000Z

Lately the initial page you open is quite slow…chrome just sits there for a few seconds, and then the page opens. But once you have a single page open, you can use tabs to open other pages, and that’s fast…

Accent · 2014-07-15T17:55:42.000Z

I don’t find it too unbearably slow, but it’s a pain on iOS. Still annoying as shit that the quote/flag etc buttons don’t work for shit on iOS. Also quite annoying to have to reload the thread list every time you flip back to the forum activity page.

PeterHanes · 2014-07-15T18:12:38.000Z

[quote=“” Accent""]
I don’t find it too unbearably slow, but it’s a pain on iOS. Still annoying as shit that the quote/flag etc buttons don’t work for shit on iOS. Also quite annoying to have to reload the thread list every time you flip back to the forum activity page.
[/quote]

These buttons do work (I’m doing it now). They do have to be tapped twice in order to work.
But I agree with you that the reload of the page when you go back to the previous page is torturously irritating.

dimi3 · 2014-07-15T18:25:26.000Z

I am doing a traceroute on the site and things get bogged down at network solutions hop.

the pings are 70-115ms

compared to a google which is 18-25
and
operator-1 which is 24-50

dimi3 · 2014-07-15T18:31:07.000Z

FYI…

Load time of http://www.elektronauts.com/ w. Pingdom Tools: 5.07 s from New York City, New York, USA. Size: 2.3 MB. Rqsts: 60. http://tools.pingdom.com/fpt/dn8LK1/http://www.elektronauts.com/

Acidfever · 2014-07-15T19:25:31.000Z

""dimi3"":

FYI…

Load time of http://www.elektronauts.com/ w. Pingdom Tools: 5.07 s from New York City, New York, USA. Size: 2.3 MB. Rqsts: 60. Website Speed Test | Pingdom Tools

The frontpage actually loads in 4.16s if I test the same. Now lets try http://www.elektronauts.com/forums (the subforum overview):
First test: 9.43s
Second test: 18.82s

Third test: 10.89s

To make things clear, this is not from my pc but from a location in NY City.

This is extremely slow for today’s standards!! I am on a 120Mbit line in Holland and my results aren’t better compared to what I posted above. The performance issue is just at the network end, it’s at the server end too.

boomzeg · 2014-07-15T19:37:22.000Z

As far as I can tell, there’s a bottleneck somewhere between their PHP and the database. There’s at least a 4 second wait before the page even starts rendering, and it’s likely waiting for PHP to return. Also, none of the static assets (images, etc) are cached on my end. This is pretty bad web engineering for 2014.
(source: I do this for a living).

dimi3 · 2014-07-15T19:43:58.000Z

might be to keep the kitchen ware out…

Accent · 2014-07-15T19:47:28.000Z

[quote=“” PeterHanes""]

[quote=" Accent"]I don’t find it too unbearably slow, but it’s a pain on iOS. Still annoying as shit that the quote/flag etc buttons don’t work for shit on iOS. Also quite annoying to have to reload the thread list every time you flip back to the forum activity page.
[/quote]

These buttons do work (I’m doing it now). They do have to be tapped twice in order to work.
But I agree with you that the reload of the page when you go back to the previous page is torturously irritating. [/quote]
So you can, thanks for pointing that out. I’d tried that before but just caused the screen to enlarge. Not very intuitive.

the_dreammer · 2014-07-15T19:48:00.000Z

I have a fast internet connection here… upgraded it not so long ago
so i can upload huge video’s and all that… (hooray, takes less then 4 minutes instead of waiting 3hours) …

everything is superquick… except elektronauts.com …

today, I even have connectivity problems… internet explorer telling me
“cant display page” …

so yeah i agree with the rest of you… its just darn slow.

boomzeg · 2014-07-15T19:49:37.000Z

To follow up with some FREE diagnostic:
[ul]
[li]None of the assets are gzipped (even though this is a standard practice on the web these days). [/li]
[li]No far-future expire headers are set (therefore nothing is cached client-side, so on every request the entire 1.5-2MB has to be downloaded - EVEN THE FONTS).[/li]
[li] There are like 5 separate Javascripts in the page, none of which are minified.[/li]
[li]All of the icons are separate PNG files, so a separate request has to be made for each 1KB file, instead of using CSS sprites.[/li]
[/ul]

And then there’s whole thing with CakePHP being slow - and at this point I can’t tell if it’s their database or just an inefficiently designed application.

Not that i’m here to tell their web developers how to do their job…
…but whatever their job is, thems ain’t doin’ it.

Just FYI, the industry standard for web apps these days is “1000ms to glass” - i.e. your page has to be rendered in under 1 second before the user starts getting annoyed.

My suggestion: switch to some good forum software. Even PHPbb will do. It will provide a better user experience than this over-designed slow thing you got going there.

Peace

dimi3 · 2014-07-15T19:51:14.000Z

""the_dreammer"":

I have a fast internet connection here… upgraded it not so long ago
so i can upload huge video’s and all that… (hooray, takes less then 4 minutes instead of waiting 3hours) …

everything is superquick… except elektronauts.com …

today, I even have connectivity problems… internet explorer telling me
“cant display page” …

so yeah i agree with the rest of you… its just darn slow.

don’t use internet explorer… for your own safety!

dimi3 · 2014-07-15T19:52:11.000Z

there are seem to be talk back to google analytics, soundcloud and other places which a fuel to the fire…

poonti · 2014-07-15T22:05:43.000Z

""boomzeg"":

To follow up with some FREE diagnostic:
[ul]
[li]None of the assets are gzipped (even though this is a standard practice on the web these days). [/li]
[li]No far-future expire headers are set (therefore nothing is cached client-side, so on every request the entire 1.5-2MB has to be downloaded - EVEN THE FONTS).[/li]
[li] There are like 5 separate Javascripts in the page, none of which are minified.[/li]
[li]All of the icons are separate PNG files, so a separate request has to be made for each 1KB file, instead of using CSS sprites.[/li]
[/ul]

And then there’s whole thing with CakePHP being slow - and at this point I can’t tell if it’s their database or just an inefficiently designed application.

Not that i’m here to tell their web developers how to do their job…
…but whatever their job is, thems ain’t doin’ it.

Just FYI, the industry standard for web apps these days is “1000ms to glass” - i.e. your page has to be rendered in under 1 second before the user starts getting annoyed.

My suggestion: switch to some good forum software. Even PHPbb will do. It will provide a better user experience than this over-designed slow thing you got going there.

Peace

lol, u DO know your stuff!!

Elektronot · 2014-07-15T22:52:02.000Z

""analogback"":

search function is useless,

This is unfortunate. It could be a great way to search the site, and cut down on recycled belly aching.

subq · 2014-07-15T22:55:55.000Z

Some people may be looking in the wrong spot to fix the problem.

First off, I highly doubt they will be changing the software.

That being said, I would guess that people without speed issues are only those located in .se

I know the site is terribly slow for me (in the US).

Connectivity is likely the issue. Below is a test from one of the best data centers in the industry (meaning their connectivity, even worldwide, is excellent)…this ping was run from one of their data centers in the central US.

ping www.elektronauts.com
PING www.elektronauts.com (212.91.140.142): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 212.91.140.142: icmp_seq=0 ttl=46 time=171.098 ms
64 bytes from 212.91.140.142: icmp_seq=1 ttl=46 time=169.970 ms
64 bytes from 212.91.140.142: icmp_seq=3 ttl=46 time=169.628 ms
64 bytes from 212.91.140.142: icmp_seq=4 ttl=46 time=168.653 ms
64 bytes from 212.91.140.142: icmp_seq=5 ttl=46 time=169.161 ms
64 bytes from 212.91.140.142: icmp_seq=6 ttl=46 time=168.711 ms
64 bytes from 212.91.140.142: icmp_seq=8 ttl=46 time=169.692 ms
64 bytes from 212.91.140.142: icmp_seq=10 ttl=46 time=153.507 ms

— www.elektronauts.com ping statistics —
11 packets transmitted, 8 packets received, 27% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 153.507/167.553/171.098/5.359 ms

even changing to different software isn’t going to fix that problem

there are ways to speed things up for everyone, regardless of location