What was the consensus on the meaning of those symbols again?
The icon one slot from the right only pops up in Control Live mode. It adds a new blank clip in the next available slot of the selected track.
The other three are still unknown.
To be fair, “pattern chaining” isn’t really part of the Ableton hardware workflow. You can set up Follow Actions in Live, but IIRC they only added the ability to assign them to Scenes in version 11. You can use them to rough out song structures but I would argue that they’re better optimized for randomization and variation.
That’s not a criticism of you – everything works differently or uses different words for the same feature these days, so it’s hard to know exactly what you’re getting. You’re also right that most other manufacturers have adopted pattern chaining or song mode. Ableton’s method since at least Push 1 has been to duplicate clips, double loop length, and mess with the Loop Selector to create a “pool” of clips that you can mix and match. It’s not to everyone’s taste but there’s a lot you can do with it!
Looks like everyday the Move is proving more and more that there is a market for the Push 3 mini, if Ableton does this they will have created the perfect trifecta…. They’ll have their sketched pad don’t call me a push mini, an actual Push mini for everything that people want to do on the Move but shouldn’t want to and who want a Push they can take with them, and then the regular push!
An easy yellow bricked road to follow imo
Stretch is a simple granular timestretch algorithm that makes the sample longer by chopping it into windows and looping them. Stretch Factor is how long it’s stretched to, and Grain Size is the size of the little windows. It’s best for making weird granular effects rather than actually making samples longer.
Loop loops the sample, Loop Length is obvious, Loop offset shifts which part of the sample is looped. It plays back the sample normally until it hits the loop point so you can have the attack come through and then have the body of the sample looping. But again kind of better for glitchy type stuff rather than smooth looping.
Pitch Env is a glide effect. If the amount is positive the pitch starts higher and then settles down to the normal pitch and if amount is negative it starts lower. Pitch Env Decay sets how fast it works. Quick times are good for drums and slower times can create tape stop type effects or slow glides for pitched sounds.
Punch is some kind of compressor with only a release setting.
8-bit you said you get.
FM modulates the pitch of the sample at an audio rate. At it slowest setting it can do a fast vibrato and then up in audio rates it gets more typical FM sounds.
Ring mod is amplitude modulation so similar to FM but modulating volume. At lower speeds it can create a tremolo effect and then at audio rates it makes classic ringmod metallic type sounds.
Sub osc adds a sub oscillator, Noise adds noise with an adjustable color.
It’s worth noting that all of these effects happen before the filter, so you can for example add noise or add aliasing from the 8 bit mode or FM or Ringmod, and then you can take the edge off a bit with the lowpass filter which is nice.
Also play around with the playback effects on drum sounds but also on synth sounds, sustained sounds, etc. because some of them are more or less obvious depending on the source. For example the sub osc sometimes doesn’t do much that you can hear, but sometimes it’s more obvious.
I see you are a circuit user as well, and maybe a circuit enjoyer. Do you think the Move is the closest we are to a cirucit pro or there is something else? imo the circuit isn’t just a groovebox, it’s the fastest and easiest but need some improvements
Also they’re called playback “effects” I guess because you can only use one at a time but I think it’s helpful to think of them as part of the actual synthesis engine of the drum rack since they can do things like modulate the pitch of the sample with FM or Pitch Env which wouldn’t be possible with an external effect. Plus being pre-filter they’re actually a part of the voice architecture.
Not a circuit pro but obviously what they need to do to update their circuit tracks
Got me a MOVE on the way next week Excited and kind of scared as it’s my first ableton product. I just love grid based stuff lol. Also have polyend synth, circuit tracks / rhythm and novation launchpad pro mk3 with grid stuff too!
What I am not sure of is this though. Website says “Turn any or all of Move’s four tracks into a drum kit, sampler or synthesizer”.
Does this mean I can have 4 synth tracks, or 4 sampler tracks or 4 drum tracks?
Yep! Any track can have a drum rack, melodic sampler, drift, or wavetable.
I’ve been a Circuit enjoyer since the Circuit og and have had fun with that, then Tracks and finally Rhythm. I’ve been using Tracks and Rhythm in combo for about 18 months and I’ve had a blast with them. The workflow really is great, fast, intuitive and fun.
But Move, although not maybe quite a Circuit pro, makes doing just about anything that was frustrating on the Circuits, so much easier. I think creatively I’m not really limited by Move, like I was with the Circuits, although the performance side of Move is definitely below the CIrcuit level.
The biggest difference for me, that makes the Move a sudo Circuit pro, is the fact that I can quickly get my tracks into Live. I’ve made loads of ideas on the Circuits and only finished one track in around 18 months. I’ve finished a few tracks in a few weeks since owning Move.
Not gonna happen imo.
Thank you!
This guy is great. Excellent grooves on the Move, plus a great stage presence–the music really flows through him:
in the group of three unknown icons on the right, the leftmost looks to me like it would identify a ‘chord’ feature. This is currently missing from Move’s capabilities/lineup right? It would make sense along side the note repeat/arp functionality.
The middle looks like the google gemini AI icon, no productive ideas of what it could be though.
How do you add drumkits to the presets? I cannot find it in the manual, but I checked a week back and there was something about adding code to a ableton file?
I want to convert some NI kits to Move ready drumkits.
I agree with what others have said here that the Move isn’t really a groovebox, and Ableton hasn’t marketed it as such either. To me, a groovebox is more than just a sketchpad. It needs to include basic live performance features to qualify. The Move is “just” a sketchpad that also happens to integrate seamlessly into Ableton Live. To me - somewhat of a groovebox nerd - that makes the Move too limited, but to others this might be just the creative spark missing in an otherwise fully ITB workflow.
I think why so many people are comparing the Move against grooveboxes and wishing it did more is because it could make it the perfect groovebox for those of us who’ve already embraced the hybrid workflow. The ability to perform live on a Move and have that recorded into an Arrangement timeline in Live along with all automation, pad hits and knob twists recorded would make this the perfect groovebox. Well, if they also allowed a few more tracks, which it sounds they won’t ever do, sadly.
So it sounds like it’ll remain just a sketchpad and therefore, arguably, a missed opportunity. Hence people wishing there was a Push Mini.
Is anybody else having trouble getting Move Manager to work on their phone? Not trying to do anything crazy, just want to have it as a convenient way to name sets without having to go grab my laptop, but most of the time it doesn’t want to connect.
I’m on a Samsung Galaxy phone with current firmware. Tried it using Google Chrome and the default Samsung internet app with the same results. I get an error screen that reads:
This site can’t be reached
Check if there is a typo in move.local.
DNS_PROBE_FINISHED_NXDOMAIN
Sometimes it will work but then stop responding after a minute or so and kicks me back to this error when I refresh.
I’ve also tried changing from the default domain to one of the numbered ones and no luck. Seems to work without issue on my laptop (M1 Air).
I’m gonna send a support ticket to Ableton and I’ll update when I hear back, but thought I’d post here in case I’m missing something obvious.