my take on it — it doesn’t Moves or Pushes neither closer nor farhter away from purely hypotetical push mini
hence i guess someone may say it is a speculation 
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I don’t know, I think the number one question people had when it was released is … is this a Push Mini?
of course it turned out not to be but , it’s got to give ableton some insight into a Push Mini’s viability
isn’t that how marketing works?
I think most people, if they expected anything expected a Push Mini far more than an ableton hardware note… Move… nobody was contemplating an ableton Move until they found out it wasn’t a Push Mini…
I’m pretty sure Ableton will see Move as the Push Mini at this point.
Move is to Push what MPC Studio is to the main MPC’s… or what Maschine Mikro is to Maschine+.
(Edit: and Move is a much better companion device than either of these btw).
End of story?
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I’m inclined depending on the success of the Move to lean towards this opinion as well…
I’d even go so far as to say that a Push Mini is no longer speculation because of the ableton Move, and that the ableton Move is basically something akin to a Push Mini lite
On the go. My Push 3 will be staying on the desk from now on, unless I’m doing something complicated on the go. But really, between the laptop and the Move, most of what I need is covered.
I would prefer to have MPE pads, and the button to convert a clip to a Simpler or Drum Rack, but I can live without those.
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Maybe in the future they’ll build it out with multiple versions that will end up being a Real Push Mini in the end, like add more ableton instruments and features up the price a bit, at a more push like screen up the price a bit etc… version by version… ?.. I dunno
It’s always a tricky move, design-wise and marketing-wise, to sell a “mini” version of something. Because it is “mini”, people expect it to be cheaper… but smaller isn’t always cheaper to produce, even if there are less pads and sliders. Maybe you have to design a new motherboard from scratch that will be as costly than the bigger one to maintain good performances, for example… Then, it’s all about functionality: should a mini version do less than the bigger sibling? See the Tracker Mini example: it’s a 1:1 replika buuuuut without the pads / wheel, which impacts the workflow quite a bit. In short, people wants a mini, but often end up moaning that the mini is a crippled version of the big one.
So, designing a product that takes a bit of distance with your flagship might be the best idea, all in all.
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I mean, if you want to call it a Push Mini, it’s a Push Mini, right?
I like it as a controller for Live. It’s got one huge thing the Push doesn’t have. An xoxo step sequencer. Makes such a huge difference for me.
Obviously, the Push has a whole bunch of other things the “Mini” controller does not.
If one had to go though, it’d be the bigger Push for me…
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Yes, exactly this.
It’s such a subtle thing, but the difference is huge. Sequencing xoxo style on Push pads has never felt right to me, same with using the MPC’s 16 pads Step-Seq… it’s all there, but having the 16 buttons with 1, 5, 9, 13 marks is unbeatable IMO.
Even though I’ve got used to working with the 8x8 layout of the Elektron Digi boxes, I still way prefer the 16 in line of the Analog boxes/OT, TR’s, etc, and the fact Move has this is a great bonus, and the easiest way to bring this straight into Ableton Live now too.
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I think in fact a lot of the discussion revolved around a possible companion to Note. Which is what they ended up doing…
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Thought experiment: Move, but with Fors’ synths.
Actually, that can be done in controller mode…
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Would be AWESOME to have Fors devices standalone 
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Believe me, if this hardware allowed any form of custom stuff I’d be all over it.
Not my thing in its current state, sadly. Workflow looks great though.
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Move: Fors edition
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When everyone was speculating that was on my wish list
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I wasn’t aware of that, makes sense though… a good two birds with one stone opportunity for ableton
Yeah. When you look at what Maschine Mikro and MPC Studio they both offer very similar and slimmed down formats.
Ableton Move is the Push Mini controller. I’m not sure what a device in between the cost of a Push 3 and a Move would look like. What would they cut that would make it have more control than the Move but a smaller form factor than a Push 3?
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well for starters wouldn’t they base it on push 3 rather than on the Note app?
You can’t really dumb down push to a degree where it’s cheap enough. It’s Ableton. Full on. So testing and keeping 2 hardware variants funktional with such komplex Software while at the same time dumbing down both is harden then creating a small software variant that mostly takes the philosophy of live as a minimal version. And that’s what we got with note/move.
The question I would have: what would a push mini be?
Just the controller with all functionality in a smaller form factor? Or a standalone box?
If the former: would still be bigger then move, and arguably if you want a small controller for the go, move keeps the essence you need for portable live controller duty.
The later? That’s asking much and won’t reduce the cost that much but have a big impact about user experience… and even then it would probably be bigger then move.
So…all in all I’m not sure what the point of a push mini would be if if would look differently then move.
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Move sits between Push 2 and Push 3.
The standard pads of the P2 with the jog wheel approach of P3.
It seems obv you wouldn’t get MPE at this price point and with this type of use case.
And, from a user POV, Move feels way more ‘Push Mini’ than ‘hardware Note’.
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