Ableton Live Looper Upgrade?

I’ve been using Live’s Looper a lot recently. Works okay, however I’m beginning to realise I need more funtionality.

Anyone know of any plugin/M4L devices they can recommend that work well and improve on Live’s Looper? (I’ve checked other threads but not had much luck tbh)

This is some of the stuff I’m hoping for:

  • Ability to set the Length in advance (and be MIDI mappable - Looper can’t do this).

  • Time stretch

  • Change loop length after recording (not just double or half, bars, beats, 16ths, even free etc)

  • Remove sections of loop and it seamlessly plays the rest (like on a KP3… I just can’t understand why no-one has emulated this functionality in software… it’s amazing).

I’d like all that but honestly any upgrade on Looper would be good!

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Would love to see them give the Looper some updates too.
(Still, occasionally have fun putting it on a return track)

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I don’t think it’s going to happen, tbh.

Been that way for a while I think, maybe they don’t want to clutter it.

I have 33 in my main project, they’re very useful, just wish I had more control over them!

I just bought this:

Will probably experiment with it this afternoon :smiling_face:

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Love to hear your thoughts on it!

You can silence sections of (any) looper after recording if you use an automated gate after the looper or a square LFO automating the volume.

Change loop length after recording: can’t you setup a second looper to accommodate this?

Ability to set the Length in advance: you can setup multiple coopers with different lengths and then use midi to select the correct looper?

Time stretch: Ableton looper does this?

beardyman is working on something that might suit but its not released yet.
more details here

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Life got in the way so have not been able to properly experiment with it. That said, the first impression after a 15 minute run is that it does what says it does in terms of its ease of use :slight_smile:

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Like the way you think! Love stuff like this, my rig is packed full of similar weird solutions!

Unfortunately not quite right in this case… have you used a KP3? It has this wonderful workflow for sampling, I’ll try and describe it:

You record your sample (set length in advance - say for instance you set 8 bars).

There are 8 pads that light up across the top. They’ll all light up after recording.

Then, you can press a pad to turn it off, the corresponding section (in this case bar) will not simply be muted - the rest of the sample will automatically append itself together as if that part doesn’t exist.

So you could do stuff like this:

On 1,2,3,4 Off 5,6,7,8 - Only the first half of your sample will loop.

On 1,2,7,8 Off 3,4,5,6 - You’ll hear the first quarter and the last quarter seamlessly loop

On 1,2,4,5,6,7,8 Off 3 - A nice wonky 7/8ths of your sample will play, missing the 3rd part of 8

Etc etc. It’s absolutely amazing for quickly remixing and fucking with a sample. And I’m always looking for ways to recreate it in software. I can kind of fudge it with a combo of Drambo, Hapax, and Live… but with this type of solution it doesn’t feel tight and integrated like a plugin would.

Hmmm, interesting and I like the way you think. However I’m already on 33 loopers and that’s only the tiniest part of my setup. Also I want simple stuff like record an 8 bar loop, then shorten it by a beat, just a simple loop length control to play with etc.

See above! It’s for my jamming rig, it’s packed with stuff already, my Ableton project is currently at 510 tracks. Also, I find for looping, you need to reduce it to the simplest solution possible, you just need it to work in the moment, no pissing around!

I don’t think it does… I think it just re-pitches… could be wrong though.

There may be a work around using M4L to record into clips… seems a bit convoluted though and definitely has annoying limitations.

I think the solution might be wait for Loopy Pro to drop on Mac!

Very interesting, thanks!

Didn’t know patreons get access to the beta!

Wonder how long until it’s released?