98% of Dawless ’Jams’ Sound Like…

[siegef4ce]

Oh, you can absolutely write, perform, and record music without a DAW. Like a live set, or YouTube jam video.

But what you can’t easily do is produce a fully-realised, mastered, and tweaked track that’s album-ready. At least without buying something that is essentially just a DAW in a box.

I just find it hard to understand why someone would choose not to take their hardware stems into a DAW to process and arrange them for the final mix.

[sabana]

Tim The time was my hero

At the third stroke. It will be 1.59 and 10 seconds.

Speaking Clock Aka Time (1954)

[enju]

@natehorn

It’s going to stir the pot posting in a hardware forum saying that you think most people that jam on hardware are making shite music Not that you’re not allowed to have that opinion…

I guess that’s not what they’re saying to be exact

If it were me, and I would make a banger that wil stand the test of time (not that I ever have, at least not in my “second life” as a middle aged GAS-struggler with no time to learn my instruments :D) I would most certainly not upload it as “Circuit Tracks and Microfreak Dawless Jam” but as “Enju - Supertrackname”

[Tchu]

@siegef4ce

But what you can’t easily do is produce a fully-realised, mastered, and tweaked track that’s album-ready. At least without buying something that is essentially just a DAW in a box.

How did they do it before computers?

[Tchu]

Can you point me where are the 2% left?

[natehorn]

@siegef4ce

What bothers me is that we even talk about ‘DAWless’ as a thing. It’s just playing an instrument. In the same way that someone picking up a guitar at a party or recording a YouTube acoustic cover is performing music. I don’t understand why it has to have its own special category.

It’s just a neat way of describing a ‘primarily electronic hardware based music performance’.

[natehorn]

@enju

I would most certainly not upload it as “Circuit Tracks and Microfreak Dawless Jam” but as “Enju - Supertrackname”

In which case people that want to see examples of people making music with a Microfreak won’t find your music - maybe you don’t care about that - but if you engage with the music making community, and not just the music listening community, then you’re not being helpful in describing your content.

But importantly we’re talking about jams, not tracks - if you’re naming it then you’ve already elevated it to more than that

I think some folk forget that there are different social groups that work with music - most of the people that listen to my music aren’t average joes, they’re people that do care that I made it with X Synth, and they’ll talk to me about it, and discuss workflow etc.

Omitting keywords to avoid being critically labelled by cynics is a sad state of affairs imo.

[Tchu]

@natehorn

most of the people that listen to my music aren’t average joes, they’re people that do care that I made it with X Synth

Are you talking about the Current sounds thread among others? I certainly like when people describe the Synths involved in their snippets.

[waftlord]

[Tchu]

Use the DAW Luke.

[Oxenholme]

Only a Sith deals in absolutes

[natehorn]

@Tchu

Are you talking about the Current sounds thread among others?

For me definitely - it’s great sharing stuff with you folks and I know how much you care about my compressor.

[natehorn]

The real scandal is that if you ever see me describing anything I do as DAWless it’s a lie anyway - it all gets exported from Ableton

[Unifono]

#jamlessdaw
#jamlessdawing

[Tchu]

@natehorn

The real scandal is that if you ever see me describing anything I do as DAWless it’s a lie anyway - it all gets exported from Ableton

Is Hybrid setup still relevant in 2022?

[natehorn]

@Tchu

Is Hybrid setup still relevant in 2022?

I dunno mate, ever since song mode it’s sort of lost its focus.

[LyingDalai]

Even better than Dawless jams as hold music, I suggest YouTubers’ Dawless jam!

[DEEPMOSES]

I think all music is ‘good’ music, in the sense that it brings joy and pleasure to the person making even if to no one else.

That said, most home musicians, knob twiddlers and dawless jammers make very amateurish sounding stuff. Of course it’s all subjective but I’m always surprised by the amount of praise people bestow on the most basic and amateur sounding stuff.

It’s nice of course to be supportive to burgeoning musicians but you also need to hear ‘its crap’ if it objectively is, or you’ll never get better.

On this forum especially I’ve found that any criticism is heavily frowned upon.

Out of all the jams I’ve heard on this forum, YouTube and elsewhere only a tiny fraction sound any good to me, or could actually have any commercial value/success.

But again, as long as it brings pleasure to the maker, it’s good.

[natehorn]

That track by Nick is lovely! Although I didn’t pick up on much pulse width modulation which I find somewhat disorientating.

[natehorn]

@DEEPMOSES

That said, most home musicians, knob twiddlers and dawless jammers make very amateurish sounding stuff. Of course it’s all subjective but I’m always surprised by the amount of praise people bestow on the most basic and amateur sounding stuff.

It’s nice of course to be supportive to burgeoning musicians but you also need to hear ‘its crap’ if it objectively is, or you’ll never get better.

On this forum especially I’ve found that any criticism is heavily frowned upon.

Out of all the jams I’ve heard on this forum, YouTube and elsewhere only a tiny fraction sound any good to me, or could actually have any commercial value/success.

Well telling people their music is crap will definitely be frowned upon, but I think most people welcome constructive criticism.

I have to be honest though I can’t agree with your assessment - I hear a lot of stuff on this forum that’s better than commercially successful releases all the time, even in the genres in which we work. I certainly wouldn’t include myself in that, not just to be humble, I just wouldn’t - maybe one day.

But there is a LOT of talent in this forum (including working musicians)