98% of Dawless ’Jams’ Sound Like…

InTheAM · 2022-10-20T06:01:57.806Z

Argument was probably the wrong word. But you see my meaning I am sure.

m13wo · 2022-10-20T06:02:39.607Z

If you play like BoBeats, then it’s worse than elevator music. But if it’s like Ylva, then it’s top notch. You can listen to Ylva straight away.

InTheAM · 2022-10-20T06:04:51.975Z

BoBeats is the epitome of what I dislike about online electronic music culture.

mleaf · 2022-10-20T06:12:27.711Z

I remember when CD’s used to come out back in the day, like the days when rock bands were really a thing, and liner notes would list ‘personnel’ - and not only that, it would be like, what instrument was played etc. like, written by so and so, so and so on drums, this person on guitar, synths - played by a person, triangle and percussion played by this person.

Often, when I’m listening to modern day tracks, I wish they listed the gear used, in a somewhat similar fashion. Obviously many artists would take issue with that and ‘it’s not about what gear was used, man’. But I still think it’s interesting. It would be great to go to an individual track page and just see Minilogue - Pads, Elektron Analog 4 - chord stabs, Mutable instruments on percussive elements etc. and it doesn’t even have to be that specific, could just be per track. A4, Drumlogue, Microfreak, Rhodes, guitar. Guest appearance of so and so on the Prophet 5.

I think, if I ever get around to releasing something, I will do this. Not some wafty paragraph about taking inspiration from nature and trying to describe the sound, but just the instruments and tech used on a per track basis, and maybe a written paragraph about actual approaches.

Often, I find releases very rarely describe anything at all, and that’s cool, “it’s all about them music, man”, good on you. But it would fascinating to see some detail here. I guess in video based dawless jams this is all totally obvious, in a straight up audio release much less so.

aMunchkinElfGraduate · 2022-10-20T13:19:01.953Z

I agree about listing the gear on the album notes. I had a professor say that, as artists, we can throw a veil over our work, or we can remove that veil. That professor was, for sure, in the camp of pulling off the veil.

mleaf:

Not some wafty paragraph about taking inspiration from nature and trying to describe the sound

I tend to lose focus when reading those kind of statements. I will make an exception for Beethoven. His 6th Pastoral Symphony is a programmatic work. Mvt 1: Awakening of cheerful feelings on arrival in the countryside Mvt. 2: Scene by the brook Mvt. 3: Merry gathering of country folk Mvt. 4: Thunder, Storm Mvt. 5: Shepherd’s song. Cheerful and thankful feelings after the storm

I take exception for Beethoven, because he clearly wrote it as a programmatic work. Whereas the album notes provided by some contemporary artists seem like an afterthought.

RFJ · 2022-10-20T14:25:39.789Z

If your dawless jams are sounding like hold music it’s because you’re doing them wrong.

Dawless…

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Protopia · 2022-10-20T14:42:13.802Z

I’m confused …
Dawless with an ableton push linked to ableton?

lint_filter · 2022-10-20T14:43:49.471Z

Yes! You mentioned the cactus! I‘m waiting for the DAW- and cactusless Sessions…

J3RK · 2022-10-20T16:00:01.890Z

Only if you’re not trying to make on-hold music!

Pfft!

J3RK · 2022-10-20T16:01:06.081Z

Lot of lofty opinions in this thread. Either this place is FULL of professional, highly recognized AMAZING musicians in disguise, or there’s a bit of pot and kettle in here.

RFJ · 2022-10-20T16:57:56.851Z

I’ll just leave this here…

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thermionic · 2022-10-20T18:44:29.928Z

J3RK:

Lot of lofty opinions in this thread. Either this place is FULL of professional, highly recognized AMAZING musicians in disguise, or there’s a bit of pot and kettle in here.

With the swath of user-generated content and our attention economy, it’s a lot easier to focus on otherwise “popular” stuff you don’t like, I guess!

J3RK · 2022-10-20T18:45:31.293Z

True, but I also don’t mind people poking fun at things either. I suppose I like to comment on the commentary or something.

ghostbuddy · 2022-10-20T18:46:23.627Z

Every thread needs a narrator

commodorecrush · 2022-10-20T18:52:22.585Z

And this is why you use PARTS on Octatrack and save PATTERNS that can be replaced with other machines later.

Potr · 2022-10-20T18:57:14.159Z

Jam, anyone?

J3RK · 2022-10-20T20:20:54.955Z

Ok, there is a DAW IN this jam, but, it’s just mixing.

L-Funk · 2022-10-20T21:08:18.023Z

Isn’t OT some kind of Digital Audio Workstation? Some grooveboxes blur this imaginary childish line between DAW and DAWless so much, that even the greatest hipster has to admit that it is a wolf in sheeps clothing

rtme · 2022-10-20T22:09:22.682Z

L-Funk:

Isn’t OT some kind of Digital Audio Workstation?

You are aware of the fact that you just wrote this on a public forum, out in the open, en publique, in plain sight, right?!

williohm · 2022-10-20T23:27:18.652Z

ghostbuddy:

Every thread needs a narrator

“I sat idly by as idiotic post after idiotic post appeared. One by one, each opinion growing more incorrect than the last. I knew there was nothing I could say to make them realize how wrong they were. Wrong about everything. I kept my mouth shut as they shat on Bo, poor innocent Bo, who readily admitted he wasn’t a good musician and didn’t even know how to play keys, he simply loved music gear tech and enjoyed fucking about with it and talking about it. I wondered why, why the fuck anyone would watch Bo for his music when he is obviously a reviewer. But I kept my thoughts to myself. Bo doesn’t need me to defend him. Besides, it would no doubt be a waste of time, like talking to a goldfish, or maybe talking to a goldfish is a bit more productive.”