1010music Nanobox Razzmatazz

jottwehh · 2024-03-19T13:06:46.885Z

It’s been a while since I had the 1010music Razzmatazz, and I’m considering buying it again after looking into the 1.21 update. The update notes mention: “Internal resampling. Hold the Home button and jump to the WAV screen. You can now sample the internal sounds using the sequencer into a new WAV file. Take advantage of the quantized recording to create a Clip. Unlimited Clip and Slicer pads. All 8 pads can now load clips or sliced WAVs.”

This raises a question for me: Can I also record external signals through the line input with quantization, similar to the Blackbox? If I’m reading this correctly, in terms of recording capabilities, it would then be an 8-track (instead of 16) Blackbox. Can someone confirm this for me? @KF6GPE maybe?

KF6GPE · 2024-03-19T16:51:38.285Z

Kind of, but I bet not quite what you’re looking for.

You can record off of the line input as well as resampling on all pads now.

The record settings include threshold recording, so you have some control over when to start recording (either by incoming signal or by clicking the record button). There’s a quantize option for quantizing start, but it doesn’t stop at quant offsets — it’s more of a simple sample recorder for one-shots or slices than anything else, rather than a recorder suitable for looping.

For blackbox-style recording in the nano form factor, I’d suggest you look at the Tangerine, which has essentially the same code as the blackbox, albeit with only eight pads. So it has a “Length” parameter that lets you precisely control the end of a loop, as well as a quantize option to control the start.

Thanks for considering either product!

Hope that helps!

jottwehh · 2024-03-19T19:48:59.192Z

Not the answer I was hoping for, but definitely a very helpful one that precisely addresses my question. Thank you for that!

arcologies · 2024-04-09T15:13:56.493Z

i picked up a used razz for a wicked price and couldn’t be happier with the purchase. if 1010 implemented chromatic sequencing per voice, it would be S tier… if they somehow could implement multitrack usb audio out, it would be SSSSSSS tier and probably one of the best drum synths of all time! the distortion and limiter are amazing, and layering samples with the drum synth sounds is addicting. i made a ton of classic techstep kits on it:

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Omar · 2024-04-14T19:35:14.335Z

Hm, I have absolutely no problem CC controlling the RZ from the M8.
Actually the M8 is just a thru so I can I use the physical controls of my BlastBeats. And I never ran into such an issue. I do get some erratic CC’s sometimes, though. Up till now I had assumed it came from one of the faders of the BlastBeats. Reading about your situation, it might be something else.

karkwai · 2024-04-14T21:05:05.189Z

topo_explo:

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Maybe I’m misunderstanding the problem, but you’ve left midi learn on in your example.

You need to turn off midi learn after the ccs have mapped.

Omar · 2024-04-14T21:06:10.968Z

(was about to reply the same)

topo_explo · 2024-04-14T21:31:00.273Z

Omg 🤦🏻 that’s it… I don’t know what else to say except that I’m pretty embarrassed for putting so much energy into a non-issue… I guess I had to though, cuz I wouldn’t have discovered it until someone else pointed it out. Thank you

Now I’m going to delete my previous posts.

KF6GPE · 2024-04-15T02:28:03.936Z

Don’t delete them!! Someone else may learn from them.

It’s not a big deal. Better to ask than be stuck.

And I’m sorry I didn’t see the thread earlier, or perhaps I could have chimed in.

topo_explo · 2024-04-16T18:50:16.528Z

Now that I have the Razzmatazz working with my M8, I’m really enjoying designing sounds and programming sequences with it. Maybe it’s the combination of the sound engine and the quality of its converters, but everything sounds really crisp and high def (for a lack of a better term).

My only gripe with it at this point is the fact that it isn’t multitimbral. It puts a real limitation on how many cc’s I can send with the M8 and Octatrack, since both have their midi tracks tied to cc assignments. I did put in a request on the 1010music forum. Hopefully it gets a good amount of upvotes so that 1010music acknowledges it as an important feature.

jdaddyaz · 2024-04-17T00:37:53.223Z

Yeah, being able to have all the sounds on different Midi channels would be great. Hopefully it’s not too much hassle to do.

mrjayjayjay · 2024-05-21T17:01:21.705Z

Your wish is their command! Tangerine.

LAFF · 2025-03-21T09:37:07.633Z

Are the Nanobox being discontinued ? The Razzmatazz is on sale or already out of stock in many shops, same for some other Nanoboxes. Overall, it has been very quiet and not so much content online about the Razzmatazz (last comment here almost one year ago, 1010 forum with many unanswered posts…). About to pull the trigger, sounds amazing, but I wonder if they will at least get some needed updates (especially midi management, multitimbrality + configuration files between presets to avoid programming the CC manually each time).

Omar · 2025-03-21T09:59:27.678Z

I love this machine, for sound design and, strangely enough, for its sequencer, because it gives you a neat overview of all your patterns at a glance. This is really useful for a live performance.

But it’s such a bundle of missed opportunities. There are jarring lacks in MIDI and sequencer features which made me move away from it, in spite of the immense amount of time I spent on it. It used to be the backbone of my live set.

As a sound module, I still think it kicks asses. Sound is pristine when played on a big PA. But I wanted to use it as a full solution, and it’s not how 1010music sees it, it seems. Sad.

SonWu · 2025-03-21T10:25:20.579Z

I think a Blackbox sized version with individual outs would have been nice too…

Omar · 2025-03-21T10:37:39.216Z

Yep, it definitely has some juice for a slightly bigger interface.

On the other hand, I really liked the power it offered in such a small form factor. I used to carry it everywhere with me, it easily fitted my pocket with its power bank. A BlackBox sized unit might not be so extremely portable. When it comes to handheld devices - among other things - every centimeter counts ^^

If ever they came up with a slightly bigger mark II, I hope you could be able to transfer projects made on the original to the newer version of the box.

But Steve recently mentioned on the 1010Music forum that the Razz was no near EOL, in reply to a user comment. So, not sure about a MKII coming up soon.

mrjayjayjay · 2025-06-06T14:42:40.499Z

Omar:

But Steve recently mentioned on the 1010Music forum that the Razz was no near EOL,

It’s more like an elderly relative in a care home that no one visits.

Some of the shortcomings could be mitigated with an external sequencer but the MIDI setup is infuriating. If they’d just allow midi number per pad, I’d be able to send it all the patterns I have, and also allow sending notes to a pad for pitched percussion, melodic stuff etc. Not a huge ask but would be transformative.

Their fixation on midi learn only is really limiting. Making the user set up the CCs over and over per kit is ridiculous.

Even having velocity implementation - which is excellent btw, a lot of different modulations can be patched to it - makes it seem bizarre that most of their own kits don’t have it enabled.

Keep learn and add a fixed midi chart. That and allow CC access to the distortion page / comb filters, set up page etc would make it really special.

Add a basic pattern chaining mode for songs. It’s silly they have defended limiting it to a 4 bar loop.

What’s the point in having slice mode with no way to add markers, or a sampler that doesn’t even have start and end point cropping? What purpose does that serve?! Their set response is use your laptop. In which case, why buy a £400 box at all?

As it stands, it’s deficient as a stand-alone and too closed off to allow it to effectively interface with something else to support it. It could be amazing and a cult classic but as has been pointed out, there is no content coming out for it and a ton of frustrated users.

Q is do they want to make an effective instrument or a novelty toy? Is it supposed to be a self-contained unit or part of a system? It doesn’t work adequately as either, and their attitude that ‘it’s not meant to do that’ clearly won’t wash.

Omar · 2025-06-06T14:47:51.871Z

I concur with everything you write.

No way to CC assign Mutes of the pads is also a massive miss. You can work around it by assigning a MIDI note to pad level. Then it will toggle between 0 and a default level. That’s what killed it for me: I got a decent MIDI controller to easily control mutes (at least) but I could never find the energy to go over all my kits to redesign each pad according to this default volume. Deep sadness.

If @KF6GPE still works there, maybe he could pass on this request? Because submitting requests on the forum seem to lead to absolutely nowhere.

mrjayjayjay · 2025-06-06T14:56:43.495Z

Q - is there a way to change which pattern is playing via CC? I cant find it but it would at least provide a hack for the lack of pattern chaining.

Omar · 2025-06-06T15:02:44.034Z

I don’t think so

Using program changes, you can change songs (I forgot how they call it, but I mean a series of patterns with a kit), and it will begin with the first pattern. So you could theoretically change patterns by changing songs, using the first pattern in each song. Transport doesn’t stop when you do so, IIRC.