Octatrack vs Deluge

It will sequence the minitaur, notes and CCs.

The latest update added the Deluges take on trig conditions.

Hold a note and turn the select knob to set a % probability (anticlockwise) or to set an iteration dependence (clockwise).
For notes at the same time (horizontal) position, if they have the same probability number, they’ll always either all play together, or all not play - so you could have a whole chord which either all plays, or all doesn’t play.
Or, if the probabilities of multiple notes at the same time (horizontal) position add up to 100, then always exactly just one of them will play. So you could have one note in your sequence randomly play one of several different pitches every time. (Don’t make any of the notes’ probabilities the same as each other, otherwise the previous paragraph’s logic will apply.)
Notes’ triggering maybe dependent on earlier notes’ being triggered. Let’s say you’ve set a note’s probability at 70%. If you make another note at a different time-position and set its probability to 70% also, you’ll notice that you’re offered an additional option a 70 with a dot (.) after it. This means “play me only if the previous 70% note was successfully triggered”. Or, there will also be an option of 30% with a dot after it, which in this case will mean “play me only if the previous 70% note was not triggered”. (30% being 100% minus 70%.)

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Thanks a bunch for your comprehensive reply about the Minitaur and trig cons.
Would you mind answering my remaining questions too?
If the answers are “yes”, I’ll release GAS on the D!

If you use the analog emulation delay, lots of modulation, and timestretch on all eight tracks you might hit the CPU wall. Typical use, you should be fine. If you resample a track after slathering it in effects and other treatments, all the drain on the CPU is freed up. Straight sample playback can handle a large number of tracks.

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The only thing i wish the Deluge had is multisampling . I know there is a workaround but adding proper multisampling would make this machine above the competition.

The Deluge gets lots of update love based on popular requests on the synthstrom forum - http://forums.synthstrom.com/discussions

So multisampling just might come soon. I’ve requested it myself :slight_smile:

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Doesnt the lack of an info screen put anyone off the Deluge? Why didnt they put a screen like the Octatrack on it showing whats going on. I feel they missed a trick here.

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Me too!

it is a bit distracting in the beginning, but it works pretty well without a display…
A lot of stuff on the OT is done with shortcuts and not so much by looking on its display… same as on the deluge…
The display is basic but the handling is fast and straightforward.
I don_t miss it anymore but enjoy the power of the sequencer very much…

Yes. The screen/cryptic abbreviations really lets the Deluge down. Plus just stereo outputs. Those are 2 areas the firmware cannot improve. That’s why I sold mine. Everything else is stellar, great company/people and the concept is awesome.

Deluge 2 with a screen would be good

all in all you said it a month ago…
this circle running thing really nails it when it comes to the wide range of possibilities within the deluge compared to other groove boxes…

I have my OT accompanied by the deluge and do all the sampling stuff on the OT and trigger stuff like my Koma Field Kit or any PO machine with the deluge and record the output of them into the OR for further mangling.

When I sample stuff into the deluge I do different things, like doing sidechaining and other effects on a signal… or do a chord on a mono synth :slight_smile:

As both have probability it is a nice thing for me to do almost everything on one pattern with a lot of change in them…
Right now I feel this is more a powerful combination. I would not want to have one of them to replace the other…

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No, I agree, comparing the two is relevant and yet not.

If you’re a one box kind of guy, it really comes down to what’s most important to you. A flexible environment with synthesis, sampling and recording, or a specialised sampler not only in terms of features, but in character as well. The one can’t replace the other, not in terms of features, not in where it will take you.

But if you’re not a one box kind of a guy, but still want a minimal rig, the Deluge and the Octatrack together is close to impossible to beat.

is this possible in times of almost everyday a new toy on the horizon to be one box guy?..
that takes a truckload full of discipline
which brings me to
R.I.P - R. Lee Ermey


He was the only one being able to cure from this endless loop of buying and selling stuff…

Never the less, I know what you mean, and if I had to choose I would only keep my trusty OT… Which is a box full of surprises since 2,5 years to me…

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I haven’t bought any gear since 2014, still learning and practicing the stuff I have to make the most of it…
I’ve never sold any of it either…
I have more than one piece of gear, but new stuff doesn’t ever interest me or make me want it…
It’s not that hard… :rofl:

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Is there an ideal setup on the octatrack which complements the deluge well?
I find the deluge pretty easy to get around and really enjoy the easy saving of tracks and ideas.
-That’s where the octatrack always looses me. I figure out how to do something and have it forgotten by the time I get back to using it.

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Memory muscle is your friend :). I hear you though. Its not immediate.

Not as a default, I’d say. Both instruments are so unique that all musicians I’ve come across that use them (yes, I’ve met a few Delugers out in the wild as well), use them so differently.

When I had the Octatrack, I used it mostly as a glorified seven track recorder studio (I always kept the eight one for master effects). I usually recorded longer samples, between 4 to 16 bars, and then layered them into tracks which I then warped into oblivion.

If I’d had an OT and a Deluge today, I’d probably use them like this. Build something solid in Deluge, long or short, record the parts separately into the OT, rebuild the structure there but as soon as it takes you somewhere else, go with it. It always will, it always did.

The one enabler for more in this workflow, is that I always knew what I wanted to do when I approached the Octatrack like this. I already had a song in my head, and was free to immediately get into how I could transform it into something else with the Octatrack, not bothering so much about basic structure and pacing, since I’d already figured that out beforehand, from whatever source I was recording from.

Andreas said it regarding using OT and Deluge together.

That’s pretty much how I use them - Deluge is the main construction site, and OT is primarily used for master FX and for sampling pieces from the Deluge for mixing and mangling as well as transitions, balancing their different strengths.

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OMG!

"Deluge 2.0 firmware update tease.
See and hear it at Superbooth, Berlin, May 3rd-5th 2018
Estimated release, June 2018

New features include (among others):
ARRANGER
We believe this to be the most powerful and flexible song arranging mode of any modern hardware sequencer.

VIRTUAL-ANALOG SYNTH ENGINE IMPROVEMENTS
New analog-modelled filter “drive” and oscillator types are a significant addition to the Deluge’s already feature-rich synth engine.

MEMORY MANAGEMENT IMPROVED 30-FOLD
You read that right - since firmware V1.2.0 added the streaming of all samples directly from the SD card, the Deluge’s 64MB RAM chip has for the most part been sitting unutilized. With firmware V2.0, this memory is shared with the Deluge’s general functions, making around 30x more working memory available for your song and its tracks, synths, notes and parameter automation.

CPU EFFICIENCY
Major overhaul of Deluge’s audio and synth engine for significantly improved CPU efficiency (by 30-50%)."

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