@psyclone001 : The digitally controlled aspects of these machines dont affect the timbre; They provide stable and recallable tuning and modulation.
Just in case you missed the discussion.
One has VCO’s, one has DCO’s
There’s a difference
Yup, just pointing out that DCO vs VCO does not equate to flat vs. not-flat. (But of course I’m making assumptions about your definition of “flat”.)
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Yes you are 
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I’d definitely take a release with Dual VCO, without having to wait for Overbridge.
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WIthout wishing to get further off topic I think the Filter (see here) has some bearing in the resulting often unpopular timbres of the A4, but i wonder if the oscillators in the AR are more pleasing due to their being simpler in some regards - either way the AR sounds lovely as a mono synth despite the voice/osc simplicity, the DVCO will surely be fun when it drops
I’m also not so sure that the charm/drift we appreciate from a traditional VCO is the reason why the AR sounds in some ways more meaty/satisfying given that its VCOs are somewhat on a digital leash for stability/control etc
I wasn’t aware the P’08 was a DCO which it seems to be - that’s certainly not remotely flat
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The Rytm has tons of low end and tons of distortion. I’m guessing this has much more effect on the sound than any difference between VCO and DCO.
Rytm also has sampling and while that is pretty much full-on digital, it also sounds ‘meaty’. So the sound of the Rytm seems to mostly come from the signal path after the oscillators/sampler.
I found the P08 flat compared to the p6, or my old Polysix. That said I found the a4 mki flat and the mkii amazing. Well I shouldn’t say totally flat, it was still a gorgeous sounding synth, it just lacked weight and the overdrive was paltry but that’s all been fixed.
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I agree - there’s a life and presence to samples that seem to come alive … this means that the A4 should sound pretty impressive if we fire it through the inputs then surely
It’s clear that the analog designs have evolved AR>AK>A4 - I don’t know where the A4mk2 sits, but it seems to be ticking the boxes so that too suggests the ‘flat’ issue is not down to DCOs alone but to the other aspects of the signal path and in all likelihood the specs of the old/new LPF which is not present in the AR
Fingers crossed the DVCO comes before OB as per the DT compressor, that’d be a welcome gesture, especially as the DVCO was shown
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Countersigned.
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Amen to that!
All this talk of the A4 Mk 2 is making me a bit jealous. That DVCO would be a sweetener though!
I agree. Especially since it was something that was advertised as launching with the ARMKII
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where is this thing already
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Dual VCO would be very cool … the mBrane snare drum machine has a dual VCO architecture and although i don’t know how “snare-drum” exactness it is capable of, some online demo’s have shown some really attractive sound design potentials for the dual VCO’s role in making organic rhythmical vibes.
It is still kept prisoned somewhere deeply in the dungeons of Elektron Manor …
Maybe a brave warrior can be found to rescue it?
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Without the correct initiation rites and musings, it will only anger the omnisssiah and curse our sacred machines. We need the techpriests of elektron to deliver it, cannot be avoided.
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But the Rytm also has 2 VCO’s in snares and some other sounds.
It’s just hard to use it as a synth oscillator because the envelopes and such are tuned for percussive sounds.
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Yea, the envelopes definitely need to be modified with adjustable attack and decay/release shapes and slopes.
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Yo is that a Warhammer 40k reference?
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Well, arguably you don’t need the envelopes in the synth section at all.
You already get separate filter and amp envelopes so the oscs could be on all the time. I’d rather have some interesting modulation parameters than space taken up by envelope parameters.