Digitakt - Limiting?

I donā€™t want to scare you off with the year to be quick, although for some people that might be trueā€¦
I was doing some pretty cool stuff with it after a few weeks and it was my first Elektron, I still had a long way to go, but the audio was exiting enough to keep me learningā€¦

I talk on here too much, my OTā€™s fired up and Iā€™m about to jamā€¦
But I have a lot I could say about the OT being quick or notā€¦ Itā€™s not cut and dryā€¦

It takes time to learn, and time to program, but the thing is you design your projects to then have all sorts of live tricks at your finger tips to easily and quickly employā€¦ If you design a good project you can do all manner of things including extreme audio tricks instantly without any menu diving while performingā€¦

I work in at least two modes. Theres programming mode where a I come up with ideas for the OT to do and plug away trigs and set parameters, build scenes, all thatā€¦ But then thereā€™s jam mode where I donā€™t think about any of that and simply jam away music using the ideas and things Iā€™ve put into the OT. The more time I spend in programming mode, the more neat tricks and things can be easily done in jamming modeā€¦ Programming mode takes some time, but everything in jamming mode happens instantaneously, and thatā€™s the important mode as when I finally get my act together, I will be performing in jamming modeā€¦ :smiley:

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An observation regarding sound:
The digitakt may be more present in highs, but have in count the Octa has many tools incorporated to enhance them: eq, chorus, some settings of the stereo expander.

I love the DT. It IS limited compared to the OT, so itā€™s important to know what those limitations are before you get one.

My 2c:
The words are written on the DT: ā€œDrum computer and samplerā€.
You should take Elektron at their word there. Itā€™s a good description.
The DT is an amazing, amazing drum machine, that can also do some neat tricks with samples.
It will not replace a timestretching, effects-laden sampler like the OT, or Ableton, or Toraizā€¦

An amazing drum machine is something you can build whole tracks with, within certain boundaries. Important question: do you like any music that is 90% percussion programming? (Some of us do.) Or, are you playing drum machine in a project with someone else who will play synths/samples/live instruments? Then perfect. The DT is a good MIDI sequencer too (since the latest firmware update), so if a drum machine & synth combo works for you it might be good.

So the question: do you want an incredible drum machine? Or a song machine that you can build layers of harmonic content with?

Re: usability: Iā€™ve had a DT since it was first released and I would say Iā€™m only ā€˜goodā€™ with the DT now, by which I mean I can operate it without thinking at all bout where to find the right control. Bear in mind that this is by far the simpler of the two machines. Whichever you get, expect to spend a lot of time with it before it truly feels like an instrument.

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Hereā€™s a recent video made by our @pselodux that shows how much you can squeeze out of one Digitone track. Itā€™s not the DT, but maybe can give you an idea of what you can do with one Elektron track as itā€™s parameter and sound locks are similarā€¦

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Check out the digitakt only production thread for an idea of what it can do, its really great

@Unifono video

no doubt the OT is a powerhouse as shown in the post below this :slight_smile:

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The DT is way more limited than the Octatrack. If you can get both for almost the same price I would definitely go for the OT.

Reasons:

  • Stereo Sampling: when you sample something with has stereo effects on it (like the output of the machine itself) this is a MUST-have for me.

  • Dynamic Looping: Record inputs and play them with all kind of effects while they still recording

  • On the DT you cannot mute the incoming signal while recording

  • Storage Card Slot: You are not limited to the 1GB internal storage like on the DT

  • Background tracks: The OT can play a background track directly from the storage card without ANY time length limitation.

  • Song Mode

  • More inputs and outputs

  • Scenes and the scene slider

  • time stretching of samples

  • Sample slices

  • ā€¦ and many other things that I just canā€™t remember yet ā€¦

In a sense the DT is FASTFOOD, quick and almost instant to learn/use, but with vast limitations.
The OT is more of a proper meal - but of course, all these possibilities requires some learning effort.

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What do you mean by this? The incoming signal only comes through when you select monitor and external signal for sampling?

Sorry that was really very unclear. I meant you cannot mute it from the main out and still monitor it. This feature is quite essential for live performing, because you want to monitor what you are recording, but donā€™t want the audience to hear it. On the OT you can route the signal to monitor to the cue output and hear it there separated from the mix.

This can be done, of course, for all of the tracks. Just temporary route them to cue out, manipulate whatever you want and bring it then back into the mix.

On the DT it is either both (monitor and in the mix) or none.

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You make me want to put 128 sound locks in patternā€¦ :smile:
Must try that sometimeā€¦

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Man, that persons using the OT as a weaponā€¦ Haha

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I wrote some of my thoughts about this comparison in an other thread. Before I repeat myself too often here is what I wrote

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I feel like the DT can be a pretty self-contained sample-based groovebox. Iā€™ve used it as one. It probably does not work as easily/immediatedly with loop samples as the OT since it has no slicing or stretching.

It has itā€™s limitations, the biggest irritations for me are the lack of song mode & the awkward pattern chain behaviour, no EQ or Digitone style BP filter, pattern change lag and the lack of individual outs.

I have neither owned nor used OT but I have heard that it can be a very esoteric device. Supposedly the MKII made the UI more intuitive. I had some initial hurdles with the Digitakt which came mostly from me getting sold a returned device which had not been factory resetā€™d before it got into my hands. It had no factory presets and just a pile of random rap oriented samples and I was like WTF is this. After I purged & reset the thingy I still really, really scratched my head at the whole sounds vs samples thing and the sample management in general seemed somehowā€¦unintuitive?

But as soon as I cleared those hurdles I found the workflow very satisfying, itā€™s quite intuitive, flexible and fun. Real joy to use. At no point have I felt like trashing the device which seems to be a, um, sort of common sentiment among OT users at times.

OT is probably better and an even more self-contained production unit, but please be aware that it might have a really, really steep learning curve.

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Cf card
Longer recording and playback options
Looping
Time stretching
Realtime sampling and playback at once
Slicing
Midi Arp which settings are plockā€™able and lfoā€™able
3 lfoā€™s per audio and midi track
Crossfader with scenes
More fx and fx per track
Thru and neighbour machines
Zoom in the sample editor
Midi reriggers
Stereo samples
Song mode = arranger
Sequener time divisions

These are for me the most important features pro OT

Pro dt:

Form factor and interace feels more immediate
Display
Fx quality
Controll all
Lfoā€™able sample slots
Plockā€™able program changes
Conditional trigs not in a sub menu
I think start point of a sample is modulatable where the size of the loop keeps at the same size, independent of the position in the sample. So better for granular things.
Bpm per pattern (also possible in OTā€™s arranger)

There are more differences, but these are some that come to my mind at the moment.

Ot offers far more. If you want these things and you can afford itā€¦ go for it
Dt is a lot of fun though. Limitations can be nice for some peopleā€™s creativity.
Btw you might grab a used DT way cheaper. The TR8S is released and many people seem to think it can replace their DT

Hope this helps

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This is all amazing informationā€¦ Itā€™s great to some comments on people who are familiar with both and know the ups and downs.

Iā€™m still keeping my eyes open due to the fact that I will be getting this in about a month or so but am leaning towards a used digitakt (if I can find one). Itā€™d be Iā€™m guessing 650 instead of 875 for an octatrack and more straightforward yet powerful as well. The main reason Iā€™m getting this is because when I record Iā€™m sick of using the same drum samples for my songs. I use the SP-555 to play a drum loop and then I try to jazz it up with delay or EFX. Iā€™m looking for an elektron piece to add some flavor to the rhythm track (like fills) instead of the same old 8 bar drum loop on my sampler. I then like to add synth, guitar, samples etc over it on my cassette deck (may change to digital soon)

To give you some context here is a record I put out using the gear I currently have and pay attention to the drum loops (shameless plug)

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I canā€™t speak for anyone elseā€™s experience but my project sample slots tend to be full for most of my projects. My plus drivery is not full though.

As for approach, if you view the dt as a 8 track drum computer sequencing 1 sample per track and adding parameter changes etc, the digitakt is a relatively good drum machine.
I approach the dt more of like an 8 track sampler. Track one may have a kick and a sub kick micro timesd so I get some ducking or sidechain8ng effect, 2 different sample running on that track. Track two I may load a bunch of piano hits p-lock to different step and this could be anywhere from 5-8 different samples running on track 2. And my work flow continues in this manner.
So I fill sample slots quickly this way

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Itā€™s Richard Devine, heā€™s a certified madman.

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I made this EP using nothing but the digitakt. Usually with tracks to spare.
Proverbs
The workflow is really streamlined for me compared to the octatrack. I guess it feels like Iā€™m interacting with an instrument, rather than a complex machine that is way smarter than I am (octatrack).

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In the words of Chris HĆ¼lsbeck

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